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Saxophone beginners Going to jam session tomorrow night

" .... same tunes, same faces .... "
That sounds great to me. I guess I'm not smart enough ?

The jam we had here around was just to keep in touch and to learn to play easy and traditional Blues-/R&B-/Rock & Roll songs. No sheet music, charts ..... We just talk about how to play the songs for some minutes. It was not well organized ... maybe we were improvising all the time? It was very laid back .... .

So what is a "jam"? To me it's joy.

I have plans to do new "jam", musical meetings ..... .
 
My local jam and open mic nights have introduced people with similar musical taste but different social groups to each other, spawning some nascent groups.
Very good point. The blues band I had for over 20 years was spawned out of a local (walking distance for me) weekly blues jam. Once that jam was established, all the players got to know one another, learned the tunes, and eventually more than one band was formed. The one I was part of evolved a bit over the first few years, with a few changes in the musicians, eventually coalescing into a really fun band. We played a wide variety of blues styles, from swing/jump blues to funk and a fair number of jazz tunes. It never would have happened without the jam. I've also picked up occasional gigs with other bands after being invited by someone at a jam session.

All that said, there are plenty of jams that I wouldn't attend, depending on the overall situation (no need to really explain that).
 
I have seen a lot of people who've decided "I want to play jazz" based on the idea that jazz is "sophisticated and hip" - but with minimal knowledge of what "playing jazz" actually consists of. Failing to understand that there's a repertoire (really, several repertoires) is a common issue. I remember a female singer who decided "I want to sing jazz" but she wouldn't listen to the famous singers, pick some common tunes, learn them in common keys - oh no, she decided that her entry into being a "jazz singer" would be with some oddball show tune that no one's ever heard of - an incredibly obscure torch song. Of course, it was complicated as all hell, so the ordinary pickup pianist didn't want to have anything to do with it, and she got all upset because no one wanted to participate in HER idea of "being a jazz singer".

Especially if you are attending the standard open or semi-open jazz jam, you can expect there'll be a certain repertoire of tunes. If you want to try out something oddball, you've gotta bring charts or at least chord sheets (unless it's another variant of Rhythm Changes or something like that). That's the way this thing works. In my visit to the jazz jam the other night, NO I didn't bring charts or books or an iPad. I also was pretty certain there'd be someone I could look over their shoulder (there was) and I was pretty certain I'd have played all or almost all the tunes many many times over the last 45+ years (also true).

But for an open jam, DON'T be that guy who calls the weirdo tune, that no one knows. And don't be the guy who stands up there and fumble-farts around, loses the time, and makes everyone look at their shoes till you finally grind to a halt in the 22nd bar of a 32 bar tune. I mean, you can blow some clams, and if you explain you're getting started, you'll be cut some slack, but at least have SOMETHING under your belt. It's far from disastrous to refer to a lead sheet or chord chart; that's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about the norms of how jazz jam sessions work, for the best results for participants and listeners.

If you want to focus on unusual tunes, go start a band. I know a guy who's focused the last several years on the music of Tadd Dameron. (some of Tadd's tunes are in the "jam session canon", but not many, and there's a ton of material out there that few have ever heard). So, he formed his own band.

If you want to "just jam freely, without being restricted by things like song form or accepted repertoire", then you need to form a group to do that. If you're a genius like Ornette Coleman, it might result in some really interesting stuff. If you're tripping and high, it might result in something like some of what the Grateful Dead did. I'm going to bet that it won't be either of those.

Structure in music is good. People who are successful at stepping outside the structure, either briefly, or in an extended way, are 99.999% of the time the people who have mastered it within structure, and then stepped out. (Listen to Coltrane, or Rahsaan, or Dolphy, playing a standard ballad.) People who reject musical structure from the get-go are rarely successful.
Pretty common experience with singers, actually. They inquire with me, I send them our list of 120 jazz tunes we do, tell them 'we'd need 18 for a gig'....and then either hear crickets back....or they at least reply with 'I only know three of those....'

To which I reply...ok, so you would need to learn 15 more'. I never hear back from 50%, then 25% say they might be willing...and the other 25% say 'I DO do THESE songs' then send a list of songs which are not jazz (show tunes, or just some chill/groovy pop/rock).

The KEYWORD in Turf's reply here, to me....is....CONVENTION.

Jams HAVE TO HAVE some Conventions employed to keep things from going off the rails.. The ones I was regularly part of had the 'right to left' convention - calling out of the tunes went right to left depending on how horn players were positioned, then rhythm section had an order too.

Solos same thing.

Next convention- you know the tune ? If not, cam you sightread the head ? if not, you wanna take a stab at soloing the changes (by READING THEM OFF A CHART, of course)?

If your answers to all were 'no'....then you sit the tune out. Period.

There is NO available option for -"I don't have music, I don't know these songs, I am not a moderately accomplished sightreader.... but I am just gonna let the spirit MOVE ME, have no PRECONCEPTIONS, and give it my 'best shot' ".

That is just 'Unprepared' . You shouldn't be there. You aren't ready for the Jam.
No 'full marks' for that. I see no work in that, no desire to have oneself ready, no desire to learn any lessons from the previous experience.

There is no theoretical or philisophical musical 'debate' to be had along the lines of 'hey, man, the Creative Force should NOT be shackled by these rules'.

There is no way one can logically start pointing fingers at the jam organizers and say 'those guys/gals aren't cool...go find someone who IS.'

Like Turf said, if your bag is "not interested in learning 100 standards, not interested in jamming on 'em in (what you perceive as) some highly-controlled environment", you just wanna blow, unfettered...

Find yourself two or three other folks who want to do the same....and just have sessions with them.

Or stop playing with people altogether....and stick with the high tech instrumental karaoke...
 
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I really can't play anything by heart. And I still don't know which tunes to pick to bring to the bandstand. I want to play slightly obscure tunes, but I don't trust the band will know the changes. So I think I'll just play So What? next time. Everyone knows those changes. It's just two chords. But I'll bring the she t music anyway (!) because it is sometimes so disorienting to be in that situation, with so much going on at one time.

Thanks for sticking up for me. I think you have a good attitude towards people, not everyone can be that way. Sucking badly at a jam is how we face our fears.
Ok, so....

1) don't bring in 'obscure' tunes to a public open jam, period. OK ? Do what JS and Skeller said...pick some very standard standards, learn them (not memorized, just learn with the chart) and call one at the jam. They ASKED YOU TO PICK A SONG...to come in with an obscure, unpopular choice ....IS actually disrespectful of them. It will be 'perceived as you 'playing games'...you do not want that.

Like Turf, I also play Bass...and while I am really mild mannered when it comes to newbies diving in...when someone comes to a jam and calls out some obscure tune which makes the rhythm section go 'huh ?'....I actually DO wanna take my bow and stick it in the newbie's....well you get it.

So pick four. You already 'know' two, as aforementioned..so pick two more.

By all means, you can work up as many obscure tunes as you like...just do not bring those to a jam until you have become an 'established' member of the session.

2) "sucking badly is how we face our fears" 😵

Knock off the pretense, pleeeeease....

You 'sucked badly' because you literally sabotaged yourself...again - against all of the suggestions people were making HERE - you made a choice to arrive unprepared. That isn't 'facing fears'....it's something else entirely.

If you had arrived with your music, and still trainwrecked it, THEN you could have gotten away with "I was facing my fears".

So just STOP DOING THAT. Be ready , or as ready as you can be, for the next one.

Don't tank it like last time. As a jamleader, I am not gonna give an unknown player three consecutive chances in a short time to not be horrible.

After #2, should they show up for #3 soonafter (like a week or two) I am gonna have a Come to Jesus with 'em.
"Ok, bro...so...last week you totally dumpster fired......do you have things much more together for tonight ? Because it seems hard for me to believe you got it togetha' in a week...so tell me, please....'
 
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To the "I cannot memorize songs" thing....

1) It doesn't matter....at all....for the playing contexts you work in for time being. Use charts. Fine.

2) Little Sunflower
Impressions
The Blues Walk
Que Pasa
Fly Me to the Moon
Mo' Better Blues
Jive Samba

Easily memorizable...

....most are even..... Hep.


.....you are welcome.....
 
Lots of good advice here, OP. To be honest I’m not a big fan of jams.

The only ones I attend are the ones that my friends put on and we either co-host or we discuss tunes we’ll be playing in advance that we know the rhythm section is fluent with.

Calling an obscure tune? I’d only suggest doing that if you are ready to absolutely dazzle the room.

If you can’t play that tune from memory and the rhythm section will need charts for it and you just stumble through the tune it would not go over well.

Pretty sure this has been mentioned before but if you’re at the early stages of playing out in public you’d be better off getting together with like minded/skilled players and working together to get better.

I think you’ll improve faster that way. A group working together on the tunes you have chosen will give you the experience of interacting with other musicians without the other pressures endemic to a jam.

Looking forward to how this thread goes. I think I recognize the OP from SOTW. 😀
 
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I mean, really, come on y'all.

If you go to a bluegrass jam, there're standard tunes. Little Log Cabin On the Hill. Bury Me Beneath the Willow. Two Dollar Bill. If you go to an electric blues jam there're standard tunes. Statesboro Blues. Stormy Monday. The Thrill is Gone. Little Sister. Folk: Country Roads, Tom Dooley, Pancho and Lefty.....

If you have Ornette level, or Rahsaan level, or Bird level, or Jimi level genius, you can just show up, violate all the implicit norms of musical jams, and wow everyone.

If you're not on that level, you'd be well advised to try to fit in with prevailing norms. It's amazing just how much really transcendent music can be played within the norms, without constantly throwing jam buster tunes out there.
 
Pretty common experience with singers, actually. They inquire with me, I send them our list of 120 jazz tunes we do, tell them 'we'd need 18 for a gig'....and then either hear crickets back....or they at least reply with 'I only know three of those....
"So where are all the singers?"

"Well, half of them are on the east side of town singing "Summertime", and the other half are on the west side singing "My Funny Valentine"...
 
If you're not on that level, you'd be well advised to try to fit in with prevailing norms. It's amazing just how much really transcendent music can be played within the norms, without constantly throwing jam buster tunes out there.
Heck, yeah, it even happens in weekly gigs. I or drummer accidentally count a tune off too fast or slow, and eight bars in the whole band individually figures out ' I gotta approach this differently'....can be a really fruitful happenstance more often than not.....

(unless the lyrics are Portuguese and we counted off twenty ticks up from the usual 😳 ...then I just get stinkeye from the vocalist)
 
lol... We're going to cover "You Know I'm No Good" Eric Krasno style. Kind of a surf rock vibe.
That is a good tune !!...probably one of her best. She did have some good stuff...but like most rock/pop artists...when their egos believed they could cover jazz...the results were usually tragic.

A Mexican jazz combo here just across the border in Juarez does a very clever swing version of "Rehab", I think it's on YT too....
 
@AlonW , we first met at a SPDJ club event if you remember me. That was years ago.
Months later after your attending on a regular basis. Member @DaveDolson commented your good progress. This at a Sunday meeting while you were on stage.
“He’s playing the melody without looking at the sheet music”. “He’s made some great progress”.
I’ve followed you for years.
You are truly an inspiration to many.
Keep going.
It’s not easy.
 
@AlonW , we first met at a SPDJ club event if you remember me. That was years ago.
Months later after your attending on a regular basis. Member @DaveDolson commented your good progress. This at a Sunday meeting while you were on stage.
“He’s playing the melody without looking at the sheet music”. “He’s made some great progress”.
I’ve followed you for years.
You are truly an inspiration to many.
Keep going.
It’s not easy.
Hi there,

I certainly remember you. We had fun at those jams. Thanks for the compliment, but I just want to say at this time, I am much more than a musician, I have done a lot of things with my life, and after going through a lot of turmoil with my health, I came to realize my purpose was to help others. And so I started doing things without looking back, just for their own sake. Anyway, I just want to say, thank you, but really, thank yourself, because the message I want to bring to the world is that we are all capable of achieving miracles and making our dreams come true, through the power of our own will. Sorry, I just had to say that.

PEACE!!!
 
Going back to the jam session tonight, with a song prepared!!! I picked SO WHAT by Miles Davis. I thought it would be the perfect tune to respond to the energy of what happened before. And, it is super simple so I don't need to worry about screwing it up (that much). Wish me luck!
 
Going back to the jam session tonight, with a song prepared!!! I picked SO WHAT by Miles Davis. I thought it would be the perfect tune to respond to the energy of what happened before. And, it is super simple so I don't need to worry about screwing it up (that much). Wish me luck!
Simple for you. The bass player won't thank you. 😁
 

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