Scam/Fake? DH Gate & Counterfeits

[Damflask]

Hey!

Stop making us jealous!!

Have a look at DH Gate. It's a bit of an eye opener tbh...

 

[SaxBoss]

W

Have a look at DH Gate. It's a bit of an eye opener tbh...

What we getting @ here?
I thought DH Gate was a knock off's of anything that was legitimate?

 

[Pete Thomas]

W

What we getting @ here?
I thought DH Gate was a knock off's of anything that was legitimate?

Yes indeed I would recommend anyone to steer clear of DH Gate. Many people are suckered into thinking they got a bargain when an awful lot of stuff is counterfeit. Highly illegal, ruins legitimate trade and is often sponsored by the worst type of criminal gangs.

I am currently battling with counterfeiters and it is a losing battle. Very depressing for the fundraising we are doing at Taming The Saxophone.

 

[Damflask]

Thanks for this Pete. My experience of DH Gate has been positive. The saxophone I purchased is very nicely made and plays very well. Do you have any evidence of the links to criminal gangs?

 

[Pete Thomas]

Do you have any evidence of the links to criminal gangs?

It is illegal (ie a criminal activity) to sell counterfeit items.

 

[Damflask]

It is illegal (ie a criminal activity) to sell counterfeit items.

Sure. But what about these ' worst type of criminal gangs' ?
Do you have any links etc?

 

[Pete Thomas]

Sure. But what about these ' worst type of criminal gangs' ?
Do you have any links etc?

Very easy to find links:

Buying fake and illegal goods

Buying fake and illegal goods such as fake football shirts, fake designer handbags or cheap make-up can harm you, your family and your community. These goods help fund organised crime gangs including some who call themselves paramilitaries. Crime gangs can make millions of pounds through selling...

www.nidirect.gov.uk

https://www.cityoflondon.police.uk/news/city-of-london/news/2021/september/biggest-ever-police-operation-against-counterfeiting-sees-over-500m-worth-of-goods-seized/

https://www.unodc.org/documents/counterfeit/FocusSheet/Counterfeit_focussheet_EN_HIRES.pdf

And as I said my own experience had been quite devastating for our fundraising.

 

[Damflask]

Very easy to find links:

Buying fake and illegal goods

Buying fake and illegal goods such as fake football shirts, fake designer handbags or cheap make-up can harm you, your family and your community. These goods help fund organised crime gangs including some who call themselves paramilitaries. Crime gangs can make millions of pounds through selling...

www.nidirect.gov.uk

And as I said my own experience had been quite devastating for our fundraising.

So you are saying that the very nice soprano saxophone I bought on DH Gate, is helping to fund criminal gangs and para-military activity?
I just assumed that I was paying for something that was made in a factory in China.

 

[Jeanette]

Have a look at DH Gate. It's a bit of an eye opener tbh...

I just did and it was, I found:

Yanagisawa YSS-475 B Flat Soprano Saxophone Straight Sax relic brass looking Bb Saxofón with cloth bag​

It was engraved as a YSS475 which is a well known and respected Yamaha model.

If these saxophones are bought and resold they will eventually enter the market, whether bought in innocence or not when resold a beginner may inadvertently buy them thinking they have the real thing.

I don't think we should promote DH Gate here any further.

Jx

 

[Pete Thomas]

So you are saying that the very nice soprano saxophone I bought on DH Gate, is helping to fund criminal gangs and para-military activity?

I am saying the counterfeit industry is doing that,

I just assumed that I was paying for something that was made in a factory in China

I am not contradicting that. Sadly many people are actually supporting illegal activities when they (knowingly or unknowingly) buy counterfeits.

My experience of DH Gate has been positive. The saxophone I purchased is very nicely made and plays very well.

I see nothing positive about buying an illegally sold fake instrument, however well it plays.

 

[DavidUK]

I have in mind to email Diane Wang, founder and CEO of DHGate, and ask her why she thinks selling takes his OK?

She's on LinkedIn if you are.

 

[Pete Thomas]

I have in mind to email Diane Wang, founder and CEO of DHGate, and ask her why she thinks selling takes his OK?

She's on LinkedIn if you are.

I am not on Linked in but I'm sure you'll just get the old "it's not our responsibility" excuse.

 

[GCinCT]

I've seen DHGate advertise "brand new Selmer Mark VIs". Brand new horns that went out of production in 1974. They are producing counterfeits and attempting to scam innocent and less-knowledgeable saxophone players. That's criminal enough for anyone to avoid them at all costs.

 

[Colin the Bear]

What is illegal in one country isn't necessarily illegal in another.
Caveat Emptor.

 

[Jimmymack]

Thanks for this Pete. My experience of DH Gate has been positive. The saxophone I purchased is very nicely made and plays very well. Do you have any evidence of the links to criminal gangs?

How was your saxophone engraved?

 

[turf3]

The initial purchase of a counterfeit item, even if supposedly only for "personal use", still rewards the illegal behavior by providing revenue for those who STEAL others' work. When you pay a counterfeiter for a counterfeit item, you've just provided them an inducement to continue to STEAL from others' work and effort. Morally it's the same as buying a stolen horn from a guy in a back alley.

Resale of said counterfeit item (and it will be re-sold, someday, even if only upon the first buyer's death) only compounds the wrong. At a minimum, if the buyer of the counterfeit item doesn't want to admit to having done wrong, it's the very least one can do, to remove the illegal counterfeit brand insignia and country of origin designation.

 

[turf3]

What is illegal in one country isn't necessarily illegal in another.
Caveat Emptor.

I think you'd find that it is illegal to violate copyright and trademarks in China as everywhere else. The question isn't the law, it's the enforcement (or lack thereof). And by all accounts there's a conspicuous lack thereof.

 

[turf3]

I am not contradicting that. Sadly many people are actually supporting illegal activities when they (knowingly or unknowingly) buy counterfeits.

Well, as you pointed out at the beginning, the very act of buying a counterfeit product is, itself, illegal. And it's wrong. It's a lot more wrong than driving 42 mph in a posted 35 mph zone.

 

[Damflask]

Well, as you pointed out at the beginning, the very act of buying a counterfeit product is, itself, illegal. And it's wrong. It's a lot more wrong than driving 42 mph in a posted 35 mph zone.

Indeed. And I won't make that mistake again. My mum had just died and I was a bit tipsy. I was just trying to cheer myself up a bit. I have no intention of selling my fake Yani on, so it will never enter the open market.

 

[Clivey]

I loved these on aliexpress , but I wouldnt buy one.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001520583687.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.17.753927ccHXbqAc&algo_pvid=bf7d2392-daee-4d29-bec7-44aa3bb985cc&algo_exp_id=bf7d2392-daee-4d29-bec7-44aa3bb985cc-8&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000016441911509%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21GBP%2123.83%2118.35%21%21%21%21%21%402100b78b16691253869226815d0745%2112000016441911509%21sea&curPageLogUid=CCpXnaEuSZ15