Saxophones Dave Walker Saxes

[brianr]

Mr McGill looks happy enough anyhow...

Do you think he gives his endorsement for nothing ?

 

[Halfers]

Do you think he gives his endorsement for nothing ?

That's not Nigel McGill's sax. He's posted a few videos recently of him playing a variety of different Saxes as he's looking to replace his Dave Guardala Tenor. He explains in the video he borrowed the Sax from one of his Students.

 

[Ivan]

I don't think a "one piece bell and bow" needs a patent. Maybe it's how they do a "one piece bell and bow" that's important. Who owns the "one-piece" soprano patent? Maybe the patent is for the method (tools/machines) or dimensions. And probably also designs. I think the guy can play!

You miss the point. It's patently NOT the only one piece bow on the world.
I asked how it's production differs from the step's patent, not that they couldn't make one if it's differently produced.

I think you are both making similar points

Now. I need to finesse and submit my patent on yellow metal for saxophone bodies

 

[rhysonsax]

This interesting video just came up in my YouTube suggestions. I saw Pete Wareham on tenor with Polar Bear a few years ago and also have a great recording of him on baritone with NYJO. He is very interesting and articulate about his saxophones in this film and it's exciting that Dave Walker has made him a low Bb baritone, as well as his Lineage tenor.

How much for a baritone I wonder.

Rhys

 

[turf3]

What does "one piece bow" mean anyway? I mean, if you form the thing out of one piece of sheet brass you've still got to make a seam, so how's that different than stamping two half-round parts and making two seams, other than costing more? Once you braze the two pieces together then it's one piece. So what?

As to one piece bell and bow, again it's just a simple exercise in deep drawing to eliminate the bell to bow joint and ferrule. You stamp two half round halves of bell AND bow (you know, like a bass clarinet has) and then braze them together. So what? All it does is make it harder to remove dents should the bow get dented.

As to patents, first of all is it a utility patent or a design patent?

If it's a utility patent you don't know what's being patented till you read and understand the claims. On something like a saxophone that's been around 180 years or so, any further utility patents are likely to be uselessly narrow. Anything related to stamping and forming processes can probably be effectively challenged as being "well understood by those skilled in the art" since the art of stamping and forming is hundreds of years old, has thousands of prior art patents and a vast array of existing prior art in practice for a panoply of products far more difficult to stamp and form than a saxophone.

 

[LGo]

@Adrian63…….the negativity rather proves my point……come to Leeds and try one, or listen to the pro endorsers. I’m not a pro, just a decentish amateur with no need for another horn, although the comparatively ligh weight is very tempting, and I will Likely swap my Yani 992 bronze. Dave has looked after my Mark V1 since I bought it from him, he is a superb craftsman, and long term customers will all say the same. Do you need more introduction? All I’m saying is the uninformed bluster and assumptions are quite revealing about these fora.

 

[Jimmymack]

uninformed bluster and assumptions

I think this comes from the fact that there is a horn out there which is claimed to be special but getting information about it is near impossible. It only seems to be available to select people, which is fine, it’s the maker’s right to do as he pleases, but if you are going to promote it then you should do it properly or just keep it quiet.

I know nothing of these horns and only have a passing interest but was still irritated when I tried to find out more, posting these little teasers is always going to result in bluster and assumptions, any forum, whether it’s saxophones, cameras, trumpets or dog food is going to generate this kind of thing, it isn’t necessary to denigrate the forum. Interest has pretty well burned out now anyway, the poster you refer to hasn’t been heard from since before Christmas. The website makes great claims, without more detail it’s just bluster.

 

[LGo]

JimmyMack, there are small production runs of hand finished saxes….all anyone with a genuine interest has to do is contact the maker….

 

[LGo]

Oh, and I’m not a shill for Dave Walker as per your dodgy user thread, I simply object to the tone of this thread, and some of you quite clearly struggle to accept an alternative viewpoint……I will report that thread, and that, right there is the reason I don’t engage chaps.

 

[griff136]

I wonder if the parts for these horns are still in production as Amati have sadly gone bankrupt and closed according to Stoezel:

Czech news from The Horn Guys - TubeNet

 

[mizmar]

and that, right there is the reason I don’t engage chaps

Indeed, fora are not for everybody

 

[LGo]

@griff136 , Amati we’re bought by Geneva with whom AllBrass & Woodwind in Leeds have a long standing partnership…..here’s the detail on the saxes on the Geneva site. Geneva » Oldroyd Walker Lineage

 

[BalancedReaction]

@griff136 , Amati we’re bought by Geneva with whom AllBrass & Woodwind in Leeds have a long standing partnership…..here’s the detail on the saxes on the Geneva site. Geneva » Oldroyd Walker Lineage

It's quite complicated. Amati went bancrupt in 2019 under the Geneva management and were sold last year in an auction to a Czech investment group. However, the creditor bank withdrew from the sale due to a low price and the new investors then threatened to take legal actions. So who knows how the things really are.

Amati claims they're still operational (at a reduced rate), though.

Here's a google translate from a czech news site:

PODÍVEJTE SE: Kraslické Amati je opět na prodej. Věřitel chce lepší cenu

Kraslický výrobce hudebních nástrojů firma Amati je znovu na prodej. Největšímu věřiteli se nelíbila cena, která byla vysoutěžena. Prodej výrobce hudebních nástrojů Amati Denak se proto bude opakovat.

translate.google.com

 

[griff136]

@griff136 , Amati we’re bought by Geneva with whom AllBrass & Woodwind in Leeds have a long standing partnership…..here’s the detail on the saxes on the Geneva site. Geneva » Oldroyd Walker Lineage

Amati were indeed bought out by Geneva- being in the trade I do try to keep abreast of what's going on- unfortunately they went bankrupt during COVID as @BalancedReaction stated.
Thanks for the li to the saxes - but it doesn't answer the question of whether the parts for these horns are still in production/or even available.

 

[LGo]

It's quite complicated. Amati went bancrupt in 2019 under the Geneva management and were sold last year in an auction to a Czech investment group. However, the creditor bank withdrew from the sale due to a low price and the new investors then threatened to take legal actions. So who knows how the things really are.

Amati claims they're still operational (at a reduced rate), though.

Here's a google translate from a czech news site:

PODÍVEJTE SE: Kraslické Amati je opět na prodej. Věřitel chce lepší cenu

Kraslický výrobce hudebních nástrojů firma Amati je znovu na prodej. Největšímu věřiteli se nelíbila cena, která byla vysoutěžena. Prodej výrobce hudebních nástrojů Amati Denak se proto bude opakovat.

translate.google.com

That may be the case, but Geneva Instruments certainly did not go bust. 2020-21 has been a difficult year for all cross border manufacturing endeavours, I’m sure things will pick up soon…..

 

[LGo]

Amati were indeed bought out by Geneva- being in the trade I do try to keep abreast of what's going on- unfortunately they went bankrupt during COVID as @BalancedReaction stated.
Thanks for the li to the saxes - but it doesn't answer the question of whether the parts for these horns are still in production/or even available.

Yes, as far as I’m aware……..why not contact Dave direct, although I’m not sure you’ll get parts, maybe onto the waitlist for horns…..

 

[LGo]

Indeed, fora are not for everybody

That depends on your definition - fora as an open space for sharing information and debate, I have no problem with……

An unsubstantiated herd attack is something else…..

 

[LGo]

I think this comes from the fact that there is a horn out there which is claimed to be special but getting information about it is near impossible. It only seems to be available to select people, which is fine, it’s the maker’s right to do as he pleases, but if you are going to promote it then you should do it properly or just keep it quiet.

I know nothing of these horns and only have a passing interest but was still irritated when I tried to find out more, posting these little teasers is always going to result in bluster and assumptions, any forum, whether it’s saxophones, cameras, trumpets or dog food is going to generate this kind of thing, it isn’t necessary to denigrate the forum. Interest has pretty well burned out now anyway, the poster you refer to hasn’t been heard from since before Christmas. The website makes great claims, without more detail it’s just bluster.

Patience…….would you do a product launch, with cross border production in the middle of a pandemic?

 

[mizmar]

That depends on your definition - fora as an open space for sharing information and debate, I have no problem with……

An unsubstantiated herd attack is something else…..

Well. This is an open forum for debate. But I'm not sure jumping in and chastising everyone is "debate" nor polite engagement...

 

[LGo]

Well. This is an open forum for debate. But I'm not sure jumping in and chastising everyone is "debate" nor polite engagement...

I didn’t chastise anyone until the alternate perspective was jumped on, put down and reported