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I trust you read the whole of the original paper before you decided the researchers were morons.Looks like a seriously flawed study to me. The picture shows that they think they only have to worry about what comes out of the end. The aerosol comes out of the corners of the sax player's mouth where the reed meets the curve of the facing. If the light is just right, I can see a fine mist constantly streaming out as I play. I also see tiny droplets all over my horn and streaks of saliva on my mouthpiece when I'm done playing. That doesn't even count whatever comes out of every open tone hole. These researchers are morons.
Back before a vaccine was available, a friend of mine was in a big band where it was apparently the piano player who spread Covid to every single band member in the course of one rehearsal. The band's singer ultimately died of Covid. So it didn't matter what kind of instrument was being played. It was the close quarters that got them.
Having said that, I regularly play in 4 bands again, just like I did before Covid. Getting vaccinated is the best safety measure we can practically take and still rehearse and gig. Bell covers and the like are completely useless on sax. I don't trust that study one bit since they apparently don't even know how wind instruments work.
I don't think it's posible to determine the validity of a study of droplet production by looking at a single image of a single musician, and I think asserting that the researchers are morons is a bit harsh. The picture doesn't actually show that they're collection samples from just the end of the recorder anyway, it's a funnel which is sampling air projected more widely in front of the player. The published article is a summary of the study, not the full study with methodology set out. It was undertaken by some individuals at pretty dependable research organisations.Looks like a seriously flawed study to me. The picture shows that they think they only have to worry about what comes out of the end. The aerosol comes out of the corners of the sax player's mouth where the reed meets the curve of the facing. If the light is just right, I can see a fine mist constantly streaming out as I play. I also see tiny droplets all over my horn and streaks of saliva on my mouthpiece when I'm done playing. That doesn't even count whatever comes out of every open tone hole. These researchers are morons.
Back before a vaccine was available, a friend of mine was in a big band where it was apparently the piano player who spread Covid to every single band member in the course of one rehearsal. The band's singer ultimately died of Covid. So it didn't matter what kind of instrument was being played. It was the close quarters that got them.
Having said that, I regularly play in 4 bands again, just like I did before Covid. Getting vaccinated is the best safety measure we can practically take and still rehearse and gig. Bell covers and the like are completely useless on sax. I don't trust that study one bit since they apparently don't even know how wind instruments work.
Well, the piano player was sick but came to rehearsal anyway. Everybody else was fine. So unless multiple asymptomatic people also spread it at the same time, it's pretty safe to say it was the piano player. He feels tremendous guilt, and rightly so. It's a very sad situation all around.I don't think it's posible to determine the validity of a study of droplet production by looking at a single image of a single musician, and I think asserting that the researchers are morons is a bit harsh. The picture doesn't actually show that they're collection samples from just the end of the recorder anyway, it's a funnel which is sampling air projected more widely in front of the player. The published article is a summary of the study, not the full study with methodology set out. It was undertaken by some individuals at pretty dependable research organisations.
I worked for years in a scientific research organisation, although I have no connection with this study. I know that while disease epidemiology can tell us much about the population-wide effects of a disease, it is virtually impossible in an epidemic or pandemic to determine just which typhoid Mary infects specific individuals. So I doubt whether it's possible to know that it was the piano player who infected the band. The trgic consequences could have been a result of transmission from another party, possibly an asymptomatic spreader who at the time had no idea he or she had COVID-19.
If the light is just right, I can see a fine mist constantly streaming out as I play. I also see tiny droplets all over my horn and streaks of saliva on my mouthpiece when I'm done playing.
Doesn’t matter. If you’re sitting beside me in the sax section, you just got Covid in spite of the research.Is it just me or is this not remotely normal?
You are supporting the results of the research with this common sense observationit didn't matter what kind of instrument was being played. It was the close quarters that got them.
These researchers are morons.
@lydian - To be frank, since you have not bothered to read the paper, it is you that has no clue. Your criticism may be valid, but we don't actually know if it is.I only have the summary to judge, and from what I see there, the researchers have no clue. They may be great scientists, but they lack basic musical knowledge. Only a complete novice would assume all the air only comes from the bell.
It’s very real. I’ve seen the evidence on my horn every day of the 40 plus years I’ve been playing.You are supporting the results of the research with this common sense observation
People in close contact pass on viruses
All of that is real. Fanciful claims about a miasma issuing from in and around saxophones is not real
How exactly do I read the whole study? If you have any evidence contrary to what I’ve posted, please post it. The picture I saw is something a person would do in an attempt to prove their mistaken belief that air only comes out the end of a wind instrument.@lydian - To be frank, since you have not bothered to read the paper, it is you that has no clue. Your criticism may be valid, but we don't actually know if it is.
Calling people morons just because you disagree with what you think they might possibly have said is rude and unfair.
My point is that if you cannot read the whole study, then it would be better not to express an opinion about it, rather than telling us that it is rubbish and its authors are morons. .How exactly do I read the whole study? If you have any evidence contrary to what I’ve posted, please post it.
Hi @lydianHow exactly do I read the whole study?
Thanks. I read the study. My conclusion. Still morons. Here's how they sampled, quoting the study, "For instrument playing, participants positioned their instrument such that the end or bell was inside the funnel. A second sampling funnel was positioned in front of the participant’s mouth for the flute and piccolo instruments only to sample aerosol emitted from the mouth but not directed into the musical instrument." Just as the picture in the article indicated, very poor collection methodology.Hi @lydian
Thank you for providing your insight, without reading the paper
The study is here https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02786826.2021.1947470