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Saxophone beginners Come on now, join the band....(Beginners blog)

Best to be very careful, in tight quarters, with other's instruments.
You might be paying for damages and replacements, and where I grew up, lotsa dental work. :w00t:

Sturdy stands are a must.
Fortunately no damage was done, it fell nowhere near his tenor but for a moment I thought it might.
No dental work was required!

The replacement stand arrived and it is perfect, very solid and well made. Folds up neatly and comes in a bag big enough to carry the sax stand too.
Amazon.co.uk
 
Our MD (who also runs the jazz improv. workshop I play in) always says "the audience notices 'sloppy timing' much more than an occasional 'wrong note' by different players. If the 'wrong note' sounds as if it might be in tune, the audience usually don't notice it at all.
The venue on the 1st is a large pub and eatery but apparently most of the punters will be boozing and watching football on the big screen, so I doubt many will be listening :rofl:
 
We've had two concerts at a brew house over the years. The first was outdoors in the sun and heat. As soon as we began, the patio crowd was ours. Last year, we played indoors to a packed house because we had professionals in the band as our guests and a professional singer, Helen Welch. It was a fundraiser for the band and gave us more exposure.
Just curious how your band supports itself? Do the members pay dues and/or do your gigs provide income? Is there a paid staff?
 
Just curious how your band supports itself? Do the members pay dues and/or do your gigs provide income? Is there a paid staff?
There is a monthly fee of £20 which covers the weekly hire of the practice hall and if needed, sheet music purchase. Some of the money is saved for a Christmas party.
I believe it's all voluntary; I don't know if the admin organiser or band leader get anything for their efforts.
I haven't asked whether they get paid for gigs, if the venues do I doubt it would be much, maybe a drink!
It is an amateur band and don't really do professional/corporate/paid gigs, mostly local pubs and community events.
 
Similar to us. Our directors (four) are paid, and we have dues of $38 monthly. We're also non-profit but there are venues on occasion that donate to the cause for our performances. Most all events involve bringing our own music stands and some outdoor events require our own chairs.
We had a summer picnic last year complete with individual performances but that was the only one since I began in 2020. Everyone donated $20 for the hot food that was served.
 
They are doing a gig on 1st June at a local pub and I was invited to join them with one more rehearsal before.
Due to the pub double-booking the gig has been postponed until 8th June. I am relieved as that gives me two rehearsals before the event rather than one.

I didn't practice the past two days as I was feeling a bit overwhelmed with all the new material plus my evenings studying of chords and scales and how they all work, and felt a rest would help.

After today's practice MrsC said I sounded 'jazzy', playing with a swing and was faster so hopefully it's sinking in and a rest helped. My reading speed has improved a little too but I'm still awful really, just less awful than before! :rofl: Happy days.
 
The venue on the 1st is a large pub and eatery but apparently most of the punters will be boozing and watching football on the big screen, so I doubt many will be listening :rofl:
However much interest you get, just treat it as 'experience'. Every venue (and audience) will be different. It's hard to 'get paid' as a community/amateur band. A couple of free drinks is often the most a pub will stretch to. Unless they expect the band to draw many more customers than usual.

With my Big Band, I've played in a big hall where the band members outnumbered the audience (far away at the bar!). We've also played a couple of times at an amateur (and very cold!) annual 'curling event'. It was paid but the local public were only interested in the 'curling' (with a mic + speakers shouting out the scores). No interest whatsoever from the public in the music.

In both cases, we just considered these as 'extra rehearsals'. We played at the 'curling event' on our usual rehearsal evenings, so for us, it was a 'paid rehearsal'. We do play at other venues (paid and with just free drinks) with much more enthusiastic audiences. So it all balances out.
 
I've been practicing some of the songs on the set list all week and actually felt I was improving both in reading and playing 🙂
At tonight's rehearsal I realised how far I am from their standard of playing so a lot of the time I either kept quiet or just played the notes I could 🙁
Still better than last week. One more week and one more rehearsal before my first ever gig 😱 :doh:
 
I've been practicing some of the songs on the set list all week and actually felt I was improving both in reading and playing 🙂
At tonight's rehearsal I realised how far I am from their standard of playing so a lot of the time I either kept quiet or just played the notes I could 🙁
Still better than last week. One more week and one more rehearsal before my first ever gig 😱 :doh:
Believe me, I do remember how it feels!

Again, I suggest you stay focused on how much you're improving. And again, it often takes months for 'new players' to a) get used to playing in any band and b) to gradually get used to playing the band's repertoire. So it's no surprise to me that there's still a 'gap' between your standard of playing and that of other band members, who have been playing the same repertoire for many more months or even years.

FWIW (even after playing in amateur bands for some 25 years), I'm still relatively slow at learning to play new pieces. Mostly because I don't practice enough. But over the years, I've learned that ' learning to play - for me challenging - new pieces' is perhaps 30% (or less) based on the sheet music, about 40% (or more) based on my 'musical memory' and about 30% on 'muscle memory' built up over many months and years of rehearsing and playing the same pieces.

So breaking this down, there are (the easier) parts of a new number that I can learn to play quite quickly. There are also 'tricky' parts that I can't (yet) play. Certainly not from sight-reading and not (yet) from musical memory (although I know that the 'tricky parts' are coming up). It takes time to practice and rehearse the 'tricky parts' over and over again to develop some muscle memory of how to play the 'tricky parts' . In my experience, I start off being completely dumfounded but what I see on the sheet music. Although I can read it slowly, I can't sight-read it at speed. The next step for me is 'fudging it': skipping over fast/difficult runs but managing to hit the main notes on time. The final stage is gradually learning to play the 'tricky parts' as written. And - in new pieces - I sometimes just get 'lost: I don't know where 'the band' are in the sheet music and I can't find any (audible) musical cues to help me. Often I can pick up on an 'audible cue' that l can relate to the sheet music but not always.

Based on my amateur experience, I think your approach is fine! Try and follow the music (by reading along) and just play along with the (easier) bits that you can. At least, this is the advice that my Big Band gives to any new player. It's a vote of confidence in you that you've been invited to play at this gig. IMHO, this confidence is at least in part based on your musical ability to judge when and where you can contribute. As I previously said, whenever you feel that you can contribute (even on just the 'easy bits') you contribute to the band and gain experience.

T.B.H., I think that if the band considered you to be an overconfident 'wild card' (trying to play 'parts' that you don't yet fully control, guessing at notes (and playing 'wrong notes' in pitch and/or timing), then I doubt whether you'd have been invited. My guess is that - whatever you do or don't play - you're considered a 'safe pair of hands'. And with the potential to become an established band member.

So be glad that this community band gives you all the time and opportunities you want to develop your 'band playing' experience. It sounds as if any 'anxiety/pressure' on your playing standard w.r.t. that of the band is your own rather than the band's.

Enjoy!

Mike
 
@MikeMorrell
Thank you for your support and encouragement Mike.

I felt that I had 'bitten off more than I could chew' and my ego had made me overconfident.
As the band leader said to me: start, play and finish in time, play what you can and relax.
I'm just wary of 'spoiling the show' on Sunday week, audience leaving saying "good band, but they should retire that old bloke on the tenor!"
 
I'm just wary of 'spoiling the show' on Sunday week, audience leaving saying "good band, but they should retire that old bloke on the tenor!"
Did they really say that? Or, being self-conscious, you felt they may have said that?

Unless the bandleader bids you a farewell, hang in there. You are in a new situation. He also recognises that it is difficult to recruit band members, and probably is quite happy you volunteered to join them. As you get more comfortable with them, your musicianship will grow exponentially, too.

In essence he is grooming you to be one of the band regulars. As you grow, who knows, but in the future you may be able to move on to a band where you can really further shine.

It just takes patience and persistence. Think in terms of months and years, instead of days and weeks. 😉
 
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This is the first concert in which I participated back in 2022 (?). It was hot and sunny, and I only knew some of what I was doing. The nice thing about being in a band is that you are not the only one there. Another blessing is that most of the people in the audience don't know how to read music. If you know some (and it certainly sounds like you are well on your way!), you are way ahead of them. Our director always tells us that if we make a mistake, make certain that it is a big one. He has also said, over and over, that a concert is the best rehearsal. You'll learn things in this one that will help you in the next, and so on......
Looking forward to your review and maybe some photos!!
 
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This is the first concert in which I participated back in 2022 (?). It was hot and sunny, and I only knew some of what I was doing. The nice thing about being in a band is that you are not the only one there. Another blessing is that most of the people in the audience don't know how to read music. If you know some (and it certainly sounds like you are well on your way!), you are way ahead of them. Our director always tells us that if we make a mistake, make certain that it is a big one. He has also said, over and over, that a concert is the best rehearsal. You'll learn things in this one that will help you in the next, and so on......
Looking forward to your review and maybe some photos!!
Back around 1999, I was with the 44th AB out of Albuquerque. We were tasked to play ceremonial and patriotic songs for either Memorial or Veterans Day weekend, at the Vietnam Memorial in Angel Fire, NM. There were a few state politicians giving speeches, a representative from the National Guard Bureau in DC came to speak also.


When we arrived, there were about 400 motorcyles parked nearby. They were riders of a nation wide association (ABATE?), don't remember the details. Many came to pay their respect. Similar to your band, we were set up similarly.

It was kind of neat to at first seemed like a bunch of rough looking bikers, but many were former service members, some were combat veterans, a very friendly bunch.

I've learned over time, that you cannot judge a book by its cover. Some of the roughest looking people are the nicest. Some of the nicest looking people are not nice but quite the opposite.
 
I wish it was just to join a band and play. Many guys can just read and play without asking themselves too many questions. I tried many times just to be as the other guys in the bands. I said to myself; "Don't ask too many questions, just blow the sax and play the parts."

The best bands/groups I played in, were not the best musically. We did lots of mistakes during the years. But we had lots of fun.
 
@MikeMorrell
Thank you for your support and encouragement Mike.

I felt that I had 'bitten off more than I could chew' and my ego had made me overconfident.
As the band leader said to me: start, play and finish in time, play what you can and relax.
I'm just wary of 'spoiling the show' on Sunday week, audience leaving saying "good band, but they should retire that old bloke on the tenor!"
You have a really great (and supportive) band leader! Who allows new band members all the time they need to develop their abilities and familiarity with the repertoire. And supports and helps them in this process. As @ghostler said (amongst other good advice) "It just takes patience and persistence. Think in terms of months and years, instead of days and weeks.". To "patience and persistence", I would add "pleasure" and (gradual) "progress". Enjoy what you can play and enjoy the feeling of gradually being able to play better.

I'm sure I've said this before but musicians are without doubt their own worst critics (and worriers!). They worry beforehand whether they'll be able to play 'challenging sections or even notes (high or low)' during a performance. Either because they feel that they haven't practiced enough and/or because the experience at rehearsals has been 'hit and mis'. During performances, musicians notice every wrong note, missed timing, etc.

Audiences at amateur band performances are generally much less critical than the performing musicians Most just listen to "the tune' (in some locations, just as 'background music') and if it sounds OK, they applaud. Audiences often don't know the repertoire or how each piece has been arranged for the band. So if one member (such as you) drops out (completely or partly) during a piece, audiences probably won't even notice. 'Wrong notes' are also unlikely to be noticed since bands sometimes play 'weird chords'. 'Timing' is more audible but as long as you play notes that are 'in the beat' (even if they're not what's written) audiences are unlikely to notice. Again, only the musicians know what's written in front of them and the 'gaps' they take and the 'mistakes' they make. The audience doesn't.

That's why I believe that your band leader's advice is perfect: "start, play and finish in time, play what you can and relax". I would add "and enjoy!".
 

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