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Yes it expains the theory, but I find with compression you actually have to do it, in order to fully understand the advantages of pitfalls. It’s not like EQ where people can immediately understand what it does (on a basic level of specific frequency attenuation of amplification)

It took me years and years to be able to use compression usefully, then quite a few more years to find alternatives that were better.
 
Yes it expains the theory, but I find with compression you actually have to do it, in order to fully understand the advantages of pitfalls. It’s not like EQ where people can immediately understand what it does (on a basic level of specific frequency attenuation of amplification)

It took me years and years to be able to use compression usefully, then quite a few more years to find alternatives that were better.
I agree but the combination of this article with the previous discussion, along with some experimenting on my part at least gave me a very good idea. And then it also explained some of the ways of playing by Michael Brecker with his almost over the top punch attack (on some of his recordings) where I was always listening and just thinking "how in the world?" I know he did a lot of experimenting with reverb and compression and of course most of it is his playing but "I can hear it now".
 
playing by Michael Brecker with his almost over the top punch attack (on some of his recordings) where I was always listening and just thinking "how in the world?" I know he did a lot of experimenting with reverb and compression and of course most of it is his playing but "I can hear it now".
Do you have any examples of that?
 
I agree but the combination of this article with the previous discussion, along with some experimenting on my part at least gave me a very good idea. And then it also explained some of the ways of playing by Michael Brecker with his almost over the top punch attack (on some of his recordings) where I was always listening and just thinking "how in the world?" I know he did a lot of experimenting with reverb and compression and of course most of it is his playing but "I can hear it now".
Are you sure that you’re not referring to the auto wah effect he used (as did Wilton Felder - Crusaders / probably many others in the ‘70’s) ?
 
Are you sure that you’re not referring to the auto wah effect he used (as did Wilton Felder - Crusaders / probably many others in the ‘70’s) ?
Sure, it's definitely possible but listening to his solo on Everyday I Thank You, my (naive) ears lean towards a compressor. I'm certainly not the expert in that matter but take a listen. Lots of reverb, too.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoV1hmMAkbc
 
Sure, it's definitely possible but listening to his solo on Everyday I Thank You, my (naive) ears lean towards a compressor. I'm certainly not the expert in that matter but take a listen. Lots of reverb, too.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoV1hmMAkbc
Can you indicate a specific time stamp where a compressor is an audible effect? I'm not saying there isn't, just that most engineers I know strive to use a compressor in a way that that you don't actually hear it as a compressor. ie the best compressors are transparent but they can do a bit ( or a lot) of magic in the mix.

Back when I was using analogue processors, I had a Chiswick Reach compressor in my studio and a client who was there asked me to demonstrate the difference in sound. But the whole point to me was it compressed beautifully without changing the sound in any way. She could hear no difference when the vocal was soloed, but once it was in the mix it was a kind of wow moment.

At the same time I had all kinds of exotic valve and other stuff that would change the sound in different ways, but I always appreciated the idea of the ultimate compressor being transparent.

Having said that, multiband compression is a whole different ballgame as it can be transparent if you want (e.g. to make a mix louder without the normal undesirable “bass pumping”) or else can be used to equalise on a single source.
 
I really don't know either whether a compressor was used but when he starts the solo at around 4:05, there is a whole sequence where I am thinking that's what it is, especially at 4:13 - 4:25. Again, just my naive ears talking to me as I've never been able to get this kind of attack but with a compressor (slow attack/release) I can get at least a somewhat similar, let's call it "tone concept".
 
when he starts the solo at around 4:05
Maybe the time is different, but the solo for me doesn't start until 4:08 and I cannot hear anything unusual. But I hear something specifically at 4:20 that almost sounds like the note has been started half way through, ie no normal articulation start to the note. But I wouldn't immediately think "compressor"
 
I am just a bloody noob and you are the expert
But still have a lot to learn. And a lot of what I learn is from noobs. I wouldn't have noticed the thing at 4:20 but maybe it is caused by compression. You are right that slow compression can amplify the attack of note, but then so can the player (in a different way of course).
 
but then so can the player (in a different way of course).
Absolutely yes, but I have tried pretty much everything I could think of to get that specific kind of attack he has (not on all recordings), which is hard to describe because it is ultra-smooth but yet with an incredible punch. There is another recording of "James" (which I can't find anymore) where he's doing it even more extreme. And, of course, Brecker is Brecker, beyond human but I read somewhere that he was among the protagonists of using effects on his sax playing, no surprise, of course.

And from decades of playing guitar I know at least some of the stuff you can do with compressors but I had never really looked into the different aspects of it. And then I found that the soap was floating .... Eureka!
 
Sure, it's definitely possible but listening to his solo on Everyday I Thank You, my (naive) ears lean towards a compressor. I'm certainly not the expert in that matter but take a listen. Lots of reverb, too.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoV1hmMAkbc
Having listened on my phones instead of my phone (up to my ear), you do realise that from 4'08" - the first part that you mention, Pat Metheny is in unison with Brecker - this will account for the extra bite on his attack.
 

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