Ligatures Ultimate Ligature Hyperion or marketing master class?

[Dr G]

If you want to know more about mouthpiece patents, just ask...

Google:

Theo Wanne for one

US7326840B2 - Mouthpiece for a musical instrument - Google Patents

A mouthpiece for a woodwind instrument, such as a saxophone has a tubular body, with a front and a rear portion, each having a respective passage. The front portion has an opening that is at least partially covered by a reed. The front passage is wider then the opening. The front passage also...

patents.google.com

Mr A Sax, for another

The Original Patent of the Saxophone Mouthpiece — Rascher Mouthpieces

DESCRIPTION OF THE MOUTHPIECE. No. 9 (this number refers to the sketch of the mouthpiece on the patent letter). The mouthpiece of the bass saxophone. The other mouthpieces are then of the same proportions; one can of course make them a little smaller or a little bigger, if one so should wish.

www.raschermouthpieces.com

John F. Cusack, Gerald H. Finch

https://patents.justia.com/patent/5456152

That still does not put facings in the realm of anything proprietary. Bottom line: It’s not against the law to apply a good facing. It should be against the law to manufacture bad ones.

 

[Pete Thomas]

That still does not put facings in the realm of anything proprietary.

I don’t think the the Wanne patent was about the facing though was it? The facing is just about dimensions, not an invention that can be patented, otherwise every different camera lens could have its own patent. Or am I totally misunderstanding?

 

[LostCircuits]

Hey There, bit of clarification:
1. It was sized to the stock "Meyer" - fits most jazz hard rubber pieces.
2. The ligature price is $130 - mouthpiece combo was $325
3. The Vert Team haircuts are ONLY trendy in Sydney, Australia.
4. You guys are a hoot!

The stock Meyer ligature they send out with their pieces is probably the worst piece of crap they ever made - so there is the justification/incentive to buy the Hyperion.

 

[LostCircuits]

I don’t think the the Wanne patent was about the facing though was it? The facing is just about dimensions, not an invention that can be patented, otherwise vey different camera lens could have its own patent. Or am I totally misunderstanding?

The patent has nothing to do with the facing all those descriptions are just the preamble, the "patentable" part is the ledge between the first and the second zone with additional element of the second zone descending faster than the first zone. In other words, after the tip shape, the first zone of the baffle, the ledge and the second zone of the baffle/roof form a skewed z-shape which is bent so that the second zone "hangs" or "rises" faster than the first one.

 

[turf3]

Once again, what is in the claims?

 

[Dr G]

I don’t think the the Wanne patent was about the facing though was it? The facing is just about dimensions, not an invention that can be patented, otherwise every different camera lens could have its own patent. Or am I totally misunderstanding?

That is explicitly my point. Facings are not protected. I said as much in my previous post.

Please cite any mouthpiece designs that are protected by patent. Facings are certainly in the public domain. I have calculated them on my own computer. If you want to learn more about facings, just ask.

 

[LostCircuits]

Once again, what is in the claims?

Just read my post above

 

[LostCircuits]

That is explicitly my point. Facings are not protected. I said as much in my previous post.

You could theoretically protect a facing that nobody has ever done before. But I think it would be either hopeless trying or else something a patent attorney coughed up in order to get a patent for a client.

For example, there might be a chance to patent a "negative facing curve (now that I mentioned it, probably not anymore either) where the tip is below the table and the only thing that can vibrate are the flanks of the reed.

Very easy to prove in litigation. Completely useless with respect to commercial value because I can't think that anyone would ever do something like that. But the patent attorney makes money, the USPTO collects the fees and the inventor gets a plaque - if he wants to shell out the extra $150 for the brass on wood ornament. And if the negative facing curve is not good enough, you could use a saw tooth pattern for the side rails - and/or the tip rail.

 

[Colin the Bear]

I'm lost.

What's this thread about?

 

[Targa]

I'm lost.

What's this thread about?

It's about four and a half pages so far.

 

[Ghr9204]

I'm lost. What's this thread about?

It's about four and a half pages so far.

I think the OP clinched it:

Don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain.

 

[JSL]

I'm lost.

What's this thread about?

Who knows? It ran off the tracks because there's really only so much you can say (aside from hyperbola and specious claims) about a simple clamp, designed to hold the reed on the mpc.

 

[Ghr9204]

Videos of Stan Getz and Charlie Parker show them using the standard two screw metal ligs commonly available then. I use a one screw Rovner more out of convenience.

 

[jazzdoh]

a simple clamp, designed to hold the reed on the mpc.

This is really all it is and it just needs to fit well.

Shame there are companies that like to make it more and try to get us to part with our cash.

 

[Ivan]

This is really all it is and it just needs to fit well.

Shame there are companies that like to make it more and try to get us to part with our cash.

But, the collective we do part with our cash

The sales guff works, to some extent