Miscellaneous Program Music - positive and negative?

[mrblackbat]

It's a classic!
Let's put numbers to that. Say most is a fair 70%
Say 70% Of streamed music is pop. And 70% of pop is danse. Then... 49% of streamed music is danse - not most.

I'll wager that far more than 70% of music streamed would fall under pop. And even if you don't count it as "pop" country music, for example, is often there for line dancing; head banging to metal could be considered "dancing". Etc.

 

[turf3]

Which is another interesting thought: is it only likely that music such as this is liked by people who have studied music?

No, I grew up with this kind of thing (late 19th and early 20th century modern music) constantly playing on the stereo (OK, we called it "the Hi-Fi"). It's comfortable background music to me.

 

[mizmar]

I'm not going to make any assumptions

Well, that didn't last long 😀

I see no reason to make random assumptions. No one would argue that dance isn't a large part of music now, in the past and in most societies.

The proportion of music that is some kind of danse or another is irrelevant.

The question is, what has dance got to do with the threads subject?

 

[mizmar]

I'll wager that far more than 70% of music streamed would fall under pop

I'll wager that far more than 70% of steamed content is AI generated slop providing a beige background

Again, such wagers are irrelevant to the thread.

 

[mrblackbat]

I'll wager that far more than 70% of steamed content is AI generated slop providing a beige background

Again, such wagers are irrelevant to the thread.

I was trying to get some hard statistics with sources, but the data itself isn't readily available for this year; here's 2021s stats.

Streamed music consumption in the U.S. by genre 2021 | Statista

Data on the distribution of streamed music consumption in the United States showed that rock music accounted for 17 percent of all on-demand audio and video streams in 2021.

www.statista.com

30% alone of streamed music from the major streaming sites is hip hop/rap. Which is certainly music to dance to.

Rock and pop count for the next 30%.

Country, latin and edm make up the next 17%.

All of which can certainly be described as music to dance to.

Jazz and classical? A combined 1.7%.

 

[mrblackbat]

Well, that didn't last long 😀

I see no reason to make random assumptions. No one would argue that dance isn't a large part of music now, in the past and in most societies.

The proportion of music that is some kind of danse or another is irrelevant.

The question is, what has dance got to do with the threads subject?

It fits in because @Nick Wyver posted the question where does dance fit into all this, and isn't dance the most common form of music (which we've now pretty clearly ascertained to be true).

The point around asking where it fits in, as I said, I'm not going to assume what Nick's thoughts were.

I'll give my thoughts on the matter though: is it "programme music" or "abstract" with abstract being earlier defined (and feel free to dispute this, not my definition) as music written to be listened to.

Dance music is written to be danced to and so is neither.

 

[mizmar]

Dance music is written to be danced to and so is neither.

Thanks for demonstrating that

I was trying to get some hard statistic

Is irrelevant. OCD, maybe; but irrelevant.

 

[Pete Effamy]

I'll give my thoughts on the matter though: is it "programme music" or "abstract" with abstract being earlier defined (and feel free to dispute this, not my definition) as music written to be listened to.

I thought that @mizmar was asking whether the composer’s mood was transmitted to the listener via his/her (they/their/it/them/whom) music.

 

[mrblackbat]

I thought that @mizmar was asking whether the composer’s mood was transmitted to the listener via his/her (they/their/it/them/whom) music.

I'm sure he might have been.

But as threads and conversations develop, various other topics get intertwined.

And the topic of how to define "most" came up from Mizmar himself. If it was irrelevant, why continue that track?

 

[mrblackbat]

Thanks for demonstrating that

Is irrelevant. OCD, maybe; but irrelevant.

And yet you were the one to ask how to define most. If it's irrelevant, why did you ask?

 

[Pete Effamy]

I'm sure he might have been.

But as threads and conversations develop, various other topics get intertwined.

And the topic of how to define "most" came up from Mizmar himself. If it was irrelevant, why continue that track?

Because I don’t get the use of the term abstract in this thread.

 

[mrblackbat]

To be clear, that was a question for him.

I also don't get the definition of abstract as presented here.

 

[Pete Effamy]

Ah yes, guilty of skimming m‘lud. Abstract is surely the antithesis of programme music ?

 

[mrblackbat]

Which makes sense; what doesn't is then the attribution of motivation for writing it, and why the question of dance music comes in to play.
Dance music is written with a purpose - to be danced to and yet can be devoid of attribution to physical reality the way say a tone poem would.
It's then why it's pertinent to point at the popularity of dance music, not just now but through the ages and question the premise of the entire topic - it’s far too black and white, and the reality is far more grey. There are tone poems meant to be danced to, there’s abstract music to be danced to. There’s music to be sat and listened to that in no way takes itself seriously. And so on.

On your early point about whether people hear the pictures because they're been preconditioned to do so, the Rite of Spring is very pertinent to me. I first heard it on fantasia so it's all about the evolution of the planet, not spring rituals, right?

 

[mizmar]

And yet you were the one to ask how to define most. If it's irrelevant, why did you ask?

I asked how he quantified "Most".
Not whether most music is dance or not.

Because, as subsequent discussions went even "dance" isn't a single thing.

 

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[Wade Cornell]

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