Mouthpieces Problem returning Berg mouthpiece to Berg Larsen

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Customer bought a Berg mouthpiece on Berg Larsen (BL) website and returned it, insured and tracked via Poste Italiane, back to BL, based on a prior agreement with BL. BL did not acknowledge the return and stopped communicating. Customer is out of a significant chunk of money (350 Euro plus taxes plus insured and tracked shipping) and does not have the mouthpiece, either, as it was returned to BL.
 
To be fair BL said they didn't receive it. Actually the customer said they "repeatedly" told him they didn't receive it. What would a reasonable person do if they didn't receive something but the customer kept calling and emailing?

Now obviously their service was pretty bad if they said that mouthpiece was overstock with no defects and sent him what was pictured. But with these kinds of threads they always seem rather one sided to me.
 
The story is at

In short:

Customer bought a Berg mouthpiece on Berg Larsen (BL) website and returned it, insured and tracked via Poste Italiane, back to BL, based on a prior agreement with BL. BL did not acknowledge the return and stopped communicating. Customer is out of a significant chunk of money (350 Euro plus taxes plus insured and tracked shipping) and does not have the mouthpiece, either, as it was returned to BL.
What’s the point of stirring the pot on this one-sided story? It’s not as straightforward as you recount the story.

I come here to get a different experience than SotW, and yet you drag it along. Could we please SotW at SotW?
 
Ask to see the proof of delivery. If there isn’t any proof via the tracking, then it seems like it was not delivered. Hard luck but it’s up to the sender to claim compensation.

As per SOTW poster @cuthbert:
"Just to be sure I mailed them asking if the agreement was still in place, they reassured me and the recommended shipping it back...which I did, tracked and insured.

According to the tracking they had received the mouthpiece back the 8th of August, after the 15th I sent an email asking them if I could get the refund. No answer. Another email and they said they had received nothing...I sent them a screenshot of the courier proving that it was accepted by them the 8th.

Since then I received no answer, I sent more than ten emails, I also tried to call their number, nobody answers!
"

OP @cuthbert attached a photo of Poste Italiane tracking receipt. Following the tracking number at Poste Italiane, the item is shown as delivered ("Consegnata"):

"Spedizione Poste Delivery Europe CW600379797IT
Consegnata
17 Agosto 2026 02:02"
 
@etc-etc , I read the thread yesterday. IMHO there’s no reason to drag this complaint here. It’s blatantly obvious the dude conducted business poorly. Never mind the product or company reputation. Observing the transaction, how business was conducted.

Both parties need to be in agreement to close a sale. Time matters. Including the Pay Pal three month allowance to get business done…..get it done or C’ Ya. Aka, get off your duff or eat it.

Here’s my observations.
WTH didn’t he take it with him out of town and ship it. “had to leave town for work and asked if I could return it later.” Ok, maybe a month, but six ! He did it to himself. Then the shipping fiasco added insult to injury. Most decent people whom receive a wrongly shipped package return it to shipper. If a signature was required and done. Who signs for goods they don’t know or expect ? That’s two strikes. Lastly, the guy received a package, opened it and found it not as described. A five minute task at most. Most of us would immediately repackage it in the same as shipped and request a return label. At minimum retain the label for return information address and pay the return postage out of pocket. That’s three strikes.

If you were in business would you refund eight month old money for product you didn’t receive back ?
Would you spend time & money on tracking/ signature proof that you didn’t handle ? Yes they provided the address. They were courteous in doing so….months later. BL WAS IMHO trying to help make good on old business.
Yes, I read the conversation about the potential of being incorrect. Yes, I read there’s a signed receipt.
If you were BL and invested in materials, labor, sales expenses and shipping. Then additional customer service expenses. All to make maybe a 6-8% net ROI. At what point would you quit responding to a lost cause and focus on real needs of business ?
Honestly I’m with Berg Larson on this one.
The buyer, I feel sorry for his €350 learning experience. Education is not cheap.
 
@etc-etc , I read the thread yesterday. IMHO there’s no reason to drag this complaint here. It’s blatantly obvious the dude conducted business poorly. Never mind the product or company reputation. Observing the transaction, how business was conducted.

Both parties need to be in agreement to close a sale. Time matters. Including the Pay Pal three month allowance to get business done…..get it done or C’ Ya. Aka, get off your duff or eat it.

Here’s my observations.
WTH didn’t he take it with him out of town and ship it. “had to leave town for work and asked if I could return it later.” Ok, maybe a month, but six ! He did it to himself. Then the shipping fiasco added insult to injury. Most decent people whom receive a wrongly shipped package return it to shipper. If a signature was required and done. Who signs for goods they don’t know or expect ? That’s two strikes. Lastly, the guy received a package, opened it and found it not as described. A five minute task at most. Most of us would immediately repackage it in the same as shipped and request a return label. At minimum retain the label for return information address and pay the return postage out of pocket. That’s three strikes.

If you were in business would you refund eight month old money for product you didn’t receive back ?
Would you spend time & money on tracking/ signature proof that you didn’t handle ? Yes they provided the address. They were courteous in doing so….months later. BL WAS IMHO trying to help make good on old business.
Yes, I read the conversation about the potential of being incorrect. Yes, I read there’s a signed receipt.
If you were BL and invested in materials, labor, sales expenses and shipping. Then additional customer service expenses. All to make maybe a 6-8% net ROI. At what point would you quit responding to a lost cause and focus on real needs of business ?
Honestly I’m with Berg Larson on this one.
The buyer, I feel sorry for his €350 learning experience. Education is not cheap.

I agree that this is a sad cautionary tale with many lessons.

The situation when a courier notes an item as delivered, but the recipient has no record of the item arriving is very difficult to resolve. Someone would have to take a loss.

1. Letting the situation simmer for about 7 months, obviously, does not help the buyer.
2. Not having tried the mouthpiece out is very strange. Unless it is broken and unusable, try it out.
3. Whenever you are sending anything back there is a risk of item to be not delivered.
4. Consider yourself lucky if the item that you ordered came in the mail. This does not always happen, either.
5. When buying, should the things go South, you have the recourse of contacting the credit card company. When returning, you depend on a chain of delivery events that have to align perfectly.
6. Caveat qui mittit (let the sender beware).
7. Use common sense. Or, pay for your education with experience.
 
I think the best the OP can do is to buy the same mouthpiece once again, and upon its arrival, compare the photos of #1 with the #2.

If #2 looks better, great.
If #2 looks worse, return it immediately.
If #2 has the very same marks as #1, at the very same locations ... now that would be interesting.
 
OK, so I'm not sure what "sotw" means 😳🤔🤷🤷🤷 someone enlighten me if you would ☺️
Also, I'm not sure why you need to post about this here? Unless it's to warn us all about a lesson in not leaving it 6-8 months to return an item and still expect a refund unless it's under section 75?..... Does that apply overseas? 🤷🤷
If that's the case, we'll OK then.... We got the point but if not,.. 🤷🤷 What can be done here?.... Not sure really?
A shoulder to cry on for his loss maybe? 😳🤷
OR is that too harsh?
 
I agree that this is a sad cautionary tale with many lessons.

The situation when a courier notes an item as delivered, but the recipient has no record of the item arriving is very difficult to resolve. Someone would have to take a loss.
The recipient isn’t required to document receipt of goods. That’s on the shipper/ carrier. You get what you pay for. Cheap is not always the best. Was it insured at value??.?.? On return shipping ??? I don’t see this being in the conversation or being asked by you to help him.
1. Letting the situation simmer for about 7 months, obviously, does not help the buyer.
2. Not having tried the mouthpiece out is very strange. Unless it is broken and unusable, try it out.
The buyer never stated if it played. He was asked by multiple members if it did. No reply. He kept pressing his dissatisfaction of cosmetic appearance. This from the sellers description as “Discounted overstock, not seconds / blems”. No blems in playability ? Neither the buyers inquiry or the sellers response is clear in this regard.
I assume the playability is the intended result of this makers product. The blemishes the buyer posted and contest do not effect its use.
3. Whenever you are sending anything back there is a risk of item to be not delivered.
The quality of service carrier is a choice. There’s a reason for cheap and premium both. How much was the additional return insurance on DHL ? €8 ? Did he buy it ? What’s the value of that now ??? !!!
4. Consider yourself lucky if the item that you ordered came in the mail. This does not always happen, either.
FALUSE !!!!!!
I spent 35 years in commercial business. I shipped tens of thousands parcels. Globally. Two years as the biggest US shipper of FedEx. Quarterly a top US shipper of UPS. Your fear is completely BS. The loss percentage is really low.
Like one in 10k. Unless you use cheap arse systems. Bulk ground unsecured/ uninsured junk.

In quality services….. Often the backups fail because the sender failed. One label poorly applied. No secondary return label backup applied….it goes to “unclaimed”. Labels gone.
In all my years and zillions of cartons, packages and direct mail. I can state a loss of less than .005%. Theft included.

5. When buying, should the things go South, you have the recourse of contacting the credit card company. When returning, you depend on a chain of delivery events that have to align perfectly.
This was a Pay Pal transaction business transaction. Not a Bank Card/ CC. Email / text screenshots of communications with the seller are mute. All the pressing you and the buyer state as POD / receipt to seller are junk to credit sources. Especially eight months after initial sale.
6. Caveat qui mittit (let the sender beware).
7. Use common sense. Or, pay for your education with experience.
I will quote Homer Simpson here. Duh ! Or was it Doh ?
 
OK, so I'm not sure what "sotw" means 😳🤔🤷🤷🤷 someone enlighten me if you would ☺️
Also, I'm not sure why you need to post about this here? Unless it's to warn us all about a lesson in not leaving it 6-8 months to return an item and still expect a refund unless it's under section 75?..... Does that apply overseas? 🤷🤷
If that's the case, we'll OK then.... We got the point but if not,.. 🤷🤷 What can be done here?.... Not sure really?
A shoulder to cry on for his loss maybe? 😳🤷
OR is that too harsh?
Sotw AKA Sax on the Web. Years ago a place worthy. It’s gone to below the bin.
My best suggestion. Stay the hell away from the place and this conversation.
 
The recipient isn’t required to document receipt of goods. That’s on the shipper/ carrier. You get what you pay for. Cheap is not always the best. Was it insured at value??.?.? On return shipping ??? I don’t see this being in the conversation or being asked by you to help him.
It was insured ("ASSICURATA") for 350 Euro (Val. = Valore Assicurato) when shipped back to Berg Larsen.
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In far bigger shipping cases, nothing is guaranteed. Have a look at this:
Yeah, ok whatever. $18,000 paid for $20m in losses. Do the math.
Every retail business has loss and theft numbers. Banks a little less. Ever have to count a cash till and come up short ?. Even at Walmart it’s not uncommon to be till short….No shipping tracking involved.
Stick to the thread issue . You’re poking the pot with BS junk. It’s making you look like a non observant uninformed whining business inexperienced idiot.
 
It was insured ("ASSICURATA") for 350 Euro (Val. = Valore Assicurato) when shipped back to Berg Larsen.
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Process a claim. End of story. His shipment didn’t deliver to the intended address. No need to complain here or the other place. He paid for service and insurance…. Collect it. Be aware proof of non delivery service needs to be proven. Probably by his lawyers.

Oh, wait a minute. Didn’t DHL or some shipper claim this address as invalid ? Did the cheap rate carrier agree or disagree ?? Post Italy or the transfer carrier ? Yeah, $2 cheap & $10 headache.

Quit trying to defend or stand up for this unfortunate situation. You’re beating to death a lost cause. This is a buyer self inflicted problem. I stand 99% behind the company. Nothing to do with the actual product as I stated previously.
The buyer E’ffed the business transaction.
Oh yeah Amazon, can I return that horn I bought during Covid that didn’t work right.
Time matters !
 

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