Saxophones Low Bb vs low A baritones.

I can tell which big band charts suit me best by looking at the notation... they have low A and an A an octave higher written in ;-)
The thing is, often playing the written low A up an octave breaks a line in an unmusical way. It's often better to find another note down low that works with the melody and harmony.

The truth is, most of the time baritone in the big band is really playing a bass-instrument part, similar to the bass trombone's role (and of course, often the bari sax doubles the bass trombone part). However, the baritone doesn't have enough range to complete lines that the bass bone might play.

The solution is to use for the bass parts in the sax section, a true bass instrument, the bass saxophone. I have done this; it works GREAT for low register lines; most bari parts aren't written high enough to be an issue, and when the part runs off the top of the instrument it's almost always doubling one of the higher saxes so it can be recast a bit without sounding bad. It takes some practice to get used to the transposition. When I did this for some months in a big band, I didn't get comfortable enough with the transposition to play faster passages at sight, so I half-assed it and brought the bari as well, and that was too much to schlep. So I gave it up on the grounds of exhaustion; but I'd love to try it again.
 
The thing is, often playing the written low A up an octave breaks a line in an unmusical way.
Yes, some long note accompaniment under another section is one thing, but lines are a potential problem - especially descending lines obviously making their way down to an A. Best rewriting the last 3 notes or so, ensuring a logical / musical route to the octave A.
 
… a similar problem arises with more modern charts if lead alto doesn’t play harmonics. You might get a stock phrase like 1, 3, 5, 6, 8ve in the key of G or A and if the final two notes are taken down the octave it’s obvious to all ears.
 
To stick with low Bb bari choices out there, looking around there is the R&C R1Jazz on a European shop website... And there is a problem with the horn they picture, which has been pointed out to them, but which they choose not to correct

As a fan of @Stephen Howard 's write-ups where he describes horn build quality and will always, always, always comment on the sturdiness of pillars, one can use the zooming 360° picture option on the shop website to scrutinize the pillar dimensions (chunky or slim) on the R&C R1 Jazz

If you compare the R&C with the website's Own Brand Low Bb Bari you will see the pillars on the R&C are delicate and effete, clinging to the body of the sax with narrow bases... Not a winning design for a big sax that will inevitably take a knock... And low and behold look more closely and you will see that the horn shown has been subject to blunt trauma even before sale

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As a concerned citizen, I notified the shop, but the illogical reply was that the horn they can supply is not the horn in the photo, so it won't have that damage (does that look like reassuring quality control to you?)

Given the rarity and expense of each R&C R1 Jazz one might hope that the actual horn they sell would be pictured. But worse than that, despite being alerted to the issue, they are happy to continue to advertise damaged goods...

On the plus side... One can see that the R&C R1Jazz is not built to last, so one can look elsewhere for a low Bb Bari that is hardy enough to be blown outside of a padded playroom
 
If you compare the R&C with the website's Own Brand Low Bb Bari you will see the pillars on the R&C are delicate and effete, clinging to the body of the sax with narrow bases... Not a winning design for a big sax that will inevitably take a knock... And low and behold look more closely and you will see that the horn shown has been subject to blunt trauma even before sale
It looks like that key will not even open seems to be wedged shut by the damage.
 
Yup. How many sax shops offer a “42-point free professional setup”? Google is your friend…

To be fair, it worked OK for 5 years until I got it fixed by Steve Crow (@Stephen Howard having declined on the very reasonable grounds of excessive weight…just north of 14kg, without the crook).
Yep, I've paid me dues - many times over. No more 'beasts of burdens' for me!

I only do a one-point setup - the point being that I sort everything that needs doing rather than stop at an arbitrary number.
Plus I'm too old to be arsed with counting.
 

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