Playing the saxophone Learn to play by ear or by reading music

Who relies on ear playing over reading?


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Thanks for giving it a try. I've checked and the start notes I gave are right. I hope it works out. If it does, you've broken the CAN'T barrier.

I hadn't doubted that your first note was right I just tried not to register it so I could try to find it myself but it wasn't going well, it's quite amazing the difference when you get that first note to start you off
 
Some incredibly helpful posts in this thread. And some that aren't. But let's keep it positive and on track. There are different ways of approaching most things and what's right for one person may not be right for others.

I've found that by listening to other people's points of view and ways of doing things I've learnt a lot that I wouldn't have otherwise. I might not always agree, but by not listening, one can't learn from them.
 
Good grief... I know we aren't meant to take you seriously Bernie.. but wow! It looks like I won't be operating any heavy machinery for a while! :confused: 🙂 😉 Take Five is a classic!

You've got to bear in mind that I was talking hyperbollically there.
 
From a man who plays jigs and reels it's a bit rich saying take five is dull. :thumbs:

I play it regularly when busking these days and it is always well received. It took me a long time to get the backing track right and working out a solo was a challenge. I like to doodle triplets across the fives till it resolves. Make your head spin some times.

The original record is sublime. The original 45 was still on the juke box at my local in the 1990's. It used to be the sound track for one of those public information films about litter I think. I must knock out another recording to see how it's coming along.
 
As I mentioned earlier I played tenor sax for eight years with a community band and after having been in the band for awhile I noticed that when looking at new pieces we were to going to take on even if it was something I'd never heard of before I was able to 'hear' the tune (or at least my part of it) as I looked at the notes on the sheet so in a way I guess extensive reading can help develop ones 'ear' at least in the respect that I knew which tone was associated with a given written note at least well enough to get an idea of what the tune sounded like even before we played it.
 
It's funny because I have been thinking the same thing all along.of all the nursery rhymes to choose like jack and Jill Humpty Dumpty ole King Cole etc etc it's the one rhyme that I've always thought of as spoken rather than sung,think it goes something like this

Mary had a little lamb
She also had a bear
I've often seen her little lamb
But I've never seen her bear

Then there's the short version:

Mary had a little lamb
and the doctor fainted. 🙂
 
As I mentioned earlier I played tenor sax for eight years with a community band and after having been in the band for awhile I noticed that when looking at new pieces we were to going to take on even if it was something I'd never heard of before I was able to 'hear' the tune (or at least my part of it) as I looked at the notes on the sheet so in a way I guess extensive reading can help develop ones 'ear' at least in the respect that I knew which tone was associated with a given written note at least well enough to get an idea of what the tune sounded like even before we played it.
Is this the same as the skill that lies behind sight-singing? Perhaps @tenorviol would know.
 
Yes, as your sight-reading develops, you 'hear' the music in your head. I've never set out to do that as such, but I can do it. It's developed enough so that when singing (or playing) I have a reasonable idea of what the note should be and if it's wrong. Still doesn't stop me mis-singing falling 4th and 5ths and I'm a long way off being expert at it.
 
When I read music my fingers sometimes move over an imaginary piano keyboard. I did Grade 1 piano when I was about 8.
 
When I read music my fingers sometimes move over an imaginary piano keyboard. I did Grade 1 piano when I was about 8.
A keyboard is a very useful piece of kit, even if, like me, you can't play keys. I'd urge every tyro play-by-earist to get one. It doesn't have to be expensive provided it plays in tune in concert pitch. Here's a brief and incomplete list of the ways in which mine has helped me:
1. I tune from my keyboard - it's good practice for my ears. I also have an electronic tuner on which I sometimes check the results in case I make a mistake by ear.
2. In my earlier days of "hunt and peck" (what an excellent expression, @jbtsax ) I used to find myself getting snarled-up through "bending" notes instead of fingering for the note I wanted. Playing it on keyboard always straightened me out.
3. An extension of 2: when you're beginning to play by ear, you're likely to be in a state of mental overload. You can reduce this overload at the very beginning by picking the tune out on keyboard instead of sax. I recommend this very strongly as a precursor to playing sax by ear. Using a keyboard to practice the fundamental skill of playing by ear which is, recognising which note follows which in a melody, will give you a start, especially people who have tried playing sax by ear and failed. Without knowing what I was doing, I learned to play by ear in childhood simply by picking tunes out on the family piano using one finger. A follow-on from this: if you have children at home, get them a piano or an electronic keyboard. Even if they don't learn to play keys properly they'll have endless fun with it and it will be a grounding for musical learning later.
4. You can use a keyboard to learn to recognise chords. You can play the arpeggios on sax but not the whole chord.
5. Whenever a pianist visits me I try to get him/her to duet with me, keys + sax. For me it's wonderful practice.
 
I think I remember jbtsax saying that a common characteristic of his more successful sax students was that they had played some piano.
 
As I mentioned earlier I played tenor sax for eight years with a community band and after having been in the band for awhile I noticed that when looking at new pieces we were to going to take on even if it was something I'd never heard of before I was able to 'hear' the tune (or at least my part of it) as I looked at the notes on the sheet so in a way I guess extensive reading can help develop ones 'ear' at least in the respect that I knew which tone was associated with a given written note at least well enough to get an idea of what the tune sounded like even before we played it.

Sounds like another of those strange phenomenon that happens when playing musical instruments like getting the tune under your fingers, when playing from memory you are not really thinking about what your playing and your fingers are just basically doing their own thing.
Maybe this playing by ear works in a similar way in that it becomes an automatic response rather than trying to fathom it all out.
I'm always surprised when people say they can't remember tunes to play them, they have to have the dots, when to me there is no remembering at all it just becomes automatic,
Looking more and more like its the practicing thing to get it ingrained and working automatically
 

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