Playing the saxophone Learn to play by ear or by reading music

Who relies on ear playing over reading?


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Ok three blind mice and one deaf husband at this rate 🙂Jx

OK, Jeanette. Your assignment is Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. Start on your G. The song is in A B A form so when you have figured out the first and second parts, you will know all of the song since the A section repeats.

Seriously, I really didn't learn a tune for "Mary Had a Little Lamb" and I don't think it has one. If I'm right, that would explain why Jeanette couldn't "hear" it in her head.

You may know the tune as "Merrily We Roll Along" BAGABBB AAABDD BAGABBB AABAG.
 
OK, Jeanette. Your assignment is Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. Start on your G. The song is in A B A form so when you have figured out the first and second parts, you will know all of the song since the A section repeats.



You may know the tune as "Merrily We Roll Along" BAGABBB AAABDD BAGABBB AABAG.
Twinkle Twinkle it is then, those mice nearly had me in tears with frustration. Though I am beginning to think my brain is not wired for sound 🙂

Jx
 
You may know the tune as "Merrily We Roll Along" BAGABBB AAABDD BAGABBB AABAG.
I certainly know "Merrily We Roll Along" but I've never heard "Mary Had a Little Lamb" sung to it or any other tune. For me it was always a tuneless nursery rhyme, like "Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle...." Do you have a tune for that one as well?
 
OK, Jeanette. Your assignment is Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. Start on your G. The song is in A B A form so when you have figured out the first and second parts, you will know all of the song since the A section repeats.

So far I've resisted the urge to look it up and I have got as far as ggddeed going up. But I am not confident I have it right?

Jx
 
I'm always willing to take the word of a qualified professional rather then someone who works on the principle of Herr G's 'If I say something three times it is true'.

But the qualified professionals didn't say that you can't distinguish pitch because you are only hearing it with one ear. You can't take somebody's word for something if they didn't say it.

Stereoscopic hearing will allow you to detect the position of a sound source, because the sound will be louder on the side it's closest to. Stereoscopic hearing has no bearing on the detection of pitch. If a person with two functioning ears listens to sound playing through a single headphone the pitch doesn't change. Why would it?
 
@Jeanette

I don't sing along to CDs either, but I do sing silently along with recordings of new tunes I want to learn to play. I also sing tunes I want to play while I'm walking the dog and suchlike. I also learn tunes on instruments by playing along with recordings. I've played Irish fiddle music for years, I've learned several hundred fiddle tunes in those ways.

One time I recorded myself while I was learning a tune by playing along with a recording of the great West Clare fiddler Bobby Casey. I didn't record Bobby's playing, just mine. After a bit I'd started to get the tune, I was listening to myself as I was playing with Bobby and I thought I was sounding surprisingly good. Then I listened to the recording of my playing and it was absolutely hideous. There isn't really a moral to this tale, I just thought it was funny.

Here's Bobby:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KKIcByicvU


Another time I decided as an experiment to learn a whole CD of fiddle tunes, maybe 30 tunes, exclusively by playing along with the recording. So without my normal routine of listening repeatedly to the tune until I can sing it, then trying to play it. I spent a few evenings playing along with this CD, and after a while I could play all the tunes (traditional Irish music is easier to learn and play than jazz is!), what interested me was that I felt strongly that I didn't know those tunes in the same way I know others. No moral to this either.
 
Well, it’s been a strange day for me. I haven’t done much playing. Instead I’ve been following this thread. Too much pootin’ as Colin the Bear would say. One important fact has emerged of which I hadn’t taken account: playing by ear, something I’ve been doing in one way or another virtually all my life, can be incredibly (over-used word here meant literally) difficult for someone who hasn’t tried it before. But Jeanette has persevered and I think she has broken the CAN’T barrier in the space of an evening. Keep at it and it will soon be fun rather than hard work.
As I sip my bedtime glass of Scotch I’m listening to Jeanette’s Coltrane post and rather than read, I’ll tell about how I went on last night, sitting-in with the band. I’d done some work on The Old Rugged Cross but, whether because they were afraid I couldn’t keep time or because it seemed like a good idea, I didn’t play that. Instead, the band had me sit-in on a number I hadn’t heard, let alone played, before. I was spared having to do a solo; my job was to play along with the band and try to fit in. Then, having done my not-very-good best and thinking my job was done for the night, they said, play along with the next one as well, another that I’d never even heard before called “I Get the Blues When it Rains”. OK, I thought, I ought to be able to manage a blues and started on the good ol’ 1,4,5 routine – except it wasn’t a blues at all and I was lost. Well, I tootled on, getting in a few notes and phrases that didn’t fit so badly and more that didn’t fit at all, until I was given a nudge to join the proper saxophonist in his solo. What a foul-up on my part! But that’s the nature of the band: they want me to learn and they’re willing to put up with my incompetence while I improve, and I am improving, a priceless opportunity.
 
I think to just play an instrument by yourself reading music is not very hard. In elementary school didn't we all learn that simple sentence & word for the notes that correlate to the lines & spaces on the staff from bottom to top - lines: Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge and the for the spaces the word: FACE. I never forgot that and when the day came that I decided to take up an instrument all I had to do from there was to learn where those notes were located on my instrument. Of course there is more to it like sharps and flats, etc. but that is the basics for reading simple tunes.That being said I found out when I joined the local community band and had to play with many other players/instruments, sometimes playing the melody, sometimes harmony or rhythm and in some spots not playing at all, changing speeds & keys and/or accidentals on the fly, etc.,reading music can get very hard but in that type of situation it's a must and very important otherwise you'll find yourself coming in at the wrong time while playing the wrong note, I can tell you first hand conductors do not like that! 😳

This playing by ear thing has never been something I bothered much with but I can see the advantage it can provide especially with improvising so I'm all ears..I think.
 
Like all children (I imagine) I loved musical instruments. I was given plastic flutes, sleigh bells, a tambourine.. and then a wooden flute, clay pan pipes, a miniature piano, a toy saxophone and then finally when I went to school a real recorder. I was very envious of any friend who had a piano in their home. If I was invited to their house to tea I would only want to tinkle about on it and nothing else. I badly wanted to play the guitar when I discovered this for the first time belonging to one of my uncles and loved the noise it made. I was able to play tunes on my recorder without reading music. Music theory wasn't taught until I was twelve years old and I had a big mental block about it. I simply couldn't be bothered to listen. The teacher might just as well have been saying "Mwarr mwarr mwahh mwarr mwarrrh." All I wanted to do was play the tunes. I couldn't do the homework which was to write a few bars and make a tune up ourselves. I completely messed that up. Later, I was given a second hand guitar and a couple of books with lessons, chord shapes and a teaching cd. Apart from the part which helped to actually tune it, I didn't listen to it again after the first time but I learned all the songs in the book.
The saxophone: I've admired and desired to play this instrument for years but hadn't given a single thought to actually owning and playing one because I thought I was too old to learn. I jumped in at the deep end last year and had no idea that part of my lessons would involve theory. I was terrified when that was introduced. I have no idea what I thought a lesson would involve. It would seem that learning to read music hadn't entered my head. My tutor demonstrated on the piano keyboard and asked me to draw that keyboard every day. I haven't kept this up but now I know why that was important for him to ask me to do that.
Anyway..... my music reading is coming along slower than my patience likes. I wanted to play "In the Mood" and so I looked up the sheet music. It looked very confusing to me (months ago) so I hummed the tune instead and found the notes on the sax from there. Yes, I closed my eyes! I also found that not looking at sheet music for songs that I know well, helped me to play it with feeling. There are songs/ballads that I am learning now from sheet music and as they are becoming familiar I am playing as much as I can without it, just so that I can play it with feeling. I would not be able to find sharps and flats on my instrument without the theory lessons. Knowing them has helped enormously with my ability to pick up and play a tune "by ear".
 
I'm grateful to Jeanette for being brave enough to share her playing-by-ear struggle with the rest of us. It seems to me that she's broken through the "CAN'T" barrier; now it's a case of "can with effort" and I think it will soon come easily.
What Jeanette has done is to start playing from her memory of a simple tune. That's the way I started playing sax and it came easily to me because I'd been picking out tunes on whatever was available from infancy. I can see that for people who haven't had my opportunities it's much more difficult. From Jeanette's account I'd guess that the problem is, keeping the tune in your head while "hunting" for the next note, so that while you're hunting, you forget what you're hunting for. @Jeanette please correct me if I'm wrong.
I wonder whether another beginner (not Jeanette - you're making progress from memory so don't be distracted) might have a go at St. James' Infirmary that I posted yesterday using a different approach: instead of relying on memory, you have the tune there and you can copy small groups of notes, perhaps even individual notes, pitch-for-pitch. It's a case of seeing what works and what doesn't, in the hope that we can build up a sort of "play by ear starter pack" to get other members on the road without all the grief Jeanette is going through. @gladsaxisme ?
A question for Jeanette: would it have helped to have a recording of "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" to remind you of the melody or so that you could copy individual notes? If so, I'm sure that we could provide one.
 

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