Saxophones Kessler and sons tenor sax?

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I got a tenor sax from my grandfather and I’m trying to see if it’s worth anything. It’s a Kessler and Sons “custom” that is a matte nickel finish.

I looked on their website and they are selling for around $2700 new and just curious if there is any resale value to them?
 
Ouch....play the thing for a bit before worrying about selling it, no ?

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I have a yani that I’m dedicated to if I do anything on tenor. I am more of a soprano player and if this is a decent horn, I don’t want it to just sit and die. It does play really well and looks amazing.
 

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Just joking.

BUt to your question....Kesslers are made either in Taiwan or China...there has been a lot of speculation as to this and internet sax people taking their best guesses.

Some say they come from the same factory as Chateau, a brand which has some repute and respect and are generally considered pretty good, although the number of people who own them or who have serviced them and have chimed in with their positive feedback are limited, relatively speaking.

The company and shop has a good reputation, generally. It seems their customer service is pretty good.

Now, I have back-perused some of those reviews and threads and discussions, and the reality, from what I have observed, is that Kessler himself has never stated that these come from the same factory as Chateau, matter of fact I have never found any solid comment from anyone at the brand (Kessler) that they are even Taiwanese.
This isn't unusual, a store brand with a subcontractor building their brand of horns isn't likely gonna publicly admit to who the subcontractor IS, right ?

So, again, that info and claim...has been generated by owners and a limited # of techs, not to be dismissed however. Former member (may he RIP) Saxoclese was a reputable tech, and he was pretty high on Chateaus as a brand which gives good bang for the buck; I am not certain he ever stated that a Kessler IS one, though. So again, I think making that connection...is dedbatable given what we know.

(Again if anyone can find me a thread or comment from the shop which states this connection clearly, I am all open to that).

Looking at it from the other end - I cannot say I have seen threads where someone stated "I bought a Kessler because they had a pretty good reputation but I am REALLY disappointed in this horn". Which is some yardstick there. Most reviews are relatively favorable.

On this side of the pond, they do have a decent reputation as a house brand which is relatively inexpensive if one is seeking a new horn and wants to get some quality out of it. It is sort of one of the "I want a solid new horn but cannot afford a new Yamaha or Jupiter or Buffet or Yani or Selmer or JK" etc....

Resale - they take a big hit. The slight mythology/uncertainty of what folks believe them to be, as far as factory origin...plus the fact that to many sax-seekers who know only the Big names this is an unknown/unfamiliar name...plus them having very little name recognition outside of US...means their resale values remain on the low side.

In the US a lightly-used one will sell online for around half of what they went for, new. Just as a gauge, just from what I have seen on eBay, Craigslist, FB Market, Reverb, etc.

Hope this helps a little. If you listed it for $1600, you may sell it relatively fast, the name at times has enough Cred developed to make people look at one. It won't sell in a day, but maybe within a couple weeks.

If you listed it for $2000ish my guess is it'd sit around for a while....because now you get into used Yani/Yamaha intermediate-pro range prices for a Tenor..... and that might be a hard argument to say "this Kessler is as good as a Yama 52/34/575/61/62 or a Yani 8XX or 9XX series". I don't think most used Sax seekers would make that leap of faith with their wallets...
 
Just joking.

BUt to your question....Kesslers are made either in Taiwan or China...there has been a lot of speculation as to this and internet sax people taking their best guesses.

Some say they come from the same factory as Chateau, a brand which has some repute and respect and are generally considered pretty good, although the number of people who own them or who have serviced them and have chimed in with their positive feedback are limited, relatively speaking.

The company and shop has a good reputation, generally. It seems their customer service is pretty good.

Now, I have back-perused some of those reviews and threads and discussions, and the reality, from what I have observed, is that Kessler himself has never stated that these come from the same factory as Chateau, matter of fact I have never found any solid comment from anyone at the brand (Kessler) that they are even Taiwanese. So, again, that info and claim...has been generated by owners and a limited # of techs, not to be dismissed however.
Interesting and this is my concern is that I don’t know much and I get conflicting stories. I had one guy tell me that he knew all about them and they were made in Vietnam where the factory has there own metal shop so they control everything. They do this because Taiwan instruments all use the same metal supplier and it’s “junk”. Info seems all over the place.
 
I got a tenor sax from my grandfather and I’m trying to see if it’s worth anything. It’s a Kessler and Sons “custom” that is a matte nickel finish.

I looked on their website and they are selling for around $2700 new and just curious if there is any resale value to them?
I think you could get $1500+. I'd list it for $2k to start.
 
I have a yani that I’m dedicated to if I do anything on tenor. I am more of a soprano player and if this is a decent horn, I don’t want it to just sit and die. It does play really well and looks amazing.
Are you a student with marching band in your future? If so, I suggest keeping it for that rather than expose your Yanagisawa to the hardships of the street, field, and bleachers.
 
It's an unbranded import stamped with a music store logo. Outside of Sax on the Web, I doubt many have heard of them. You'll be lucky to get a grand for it and will probably have to settle for less.
 
They do this because Taiwan instruments all use the same metal supplier and it’s “junk”. Info seems all over the place.
Not sure why one would think that. I got 3 saxes from Taiwan, 2 Antigua Winds - low A bari and alto, they play well and metallurgy is sufficiently stout. My Le Blanc Vito 7133T tenor by Jupiter (JTS-689) has very stout metallurgy and has a beautiful tone.

Pete Hale, a professional who wrote many articles on saxpics.com before he sold it. As The Woodwind Forum proprietor, he has two articles for determining resale value:
Short version:
Long version:
 
They do this because Taiwan instruments all use the same metal supplier and it’s “junk”. Info seems all over the place.

Not sure why one would think that.
Me neither, that's a strange one, honestly.

Jupiter, the first round of Eastmans , earlier Conn-Selmers, then Ghostler mentions a few others...all Taiwanese, and their reputations range from respectable to stellar.

Which is why when people see what appears to be an asian-made horn, they breath a sigh of relief if it is stamped ROC or Taiwan.

Which is also why some boutique brand sales folk LIE that their Chinese wares (no origin stamp to be found on horn) are made in Taiwan.

Taiwan has Cred in the instrument-making world.

Having serviced refurbished plenty of all of the above, nothing soft in the metal or problematic in the precision of construction on the major Taiwanese-made brands.
 
With that said, Indonesia and Vietnam....I mean, name-brand companies are using those locations and reports are that their .horns are fine. I think you then gotta look at the parent company running the show. Some Yamahas are/were made in Indonesia and stamped such. The QC at Yama is probably gonna insure that the products coming out of there meet fairly high standards.

Likewise Buffet and Eastman now made in China. Those companies have the QC to make sure that their quality requirements are adhered to....

But perhaps a boutiquey brand being subcontracted to factories in those places ? I might be a bit less-inclined to breathe easy, just because I wonder what the QC of a house/boutique brand which is TRYING to price their new horns more "budgety" or "reasonable":...would be doing in compromises to make that a reality in today's (twisted) manufacturing/profit world.
 
I play a Kessler bari, which has been great the 5 years I've had it so far. And I've tried a Kessler tenor and alto. Tone was just ok, but build quality and intonation was fine. I think the Kessler horns are at least a step above the super cheap no-name Asian horns. Here in the US, resale values for Kessler are pretty good.
 
With that said, Indonesia and Vietnam....I mean, name-brand companies are using those locations and reports are that their .horns are fine. I think you then gotta look at the parent company running the show. Some Yamahas are/were made in Indonesia and stamped such. The QC at Yama is probably gonna insure that the products coming out of there meet fairly high standards.

Likewise Buffet and Eastman now made in China. Those companies have the QC to make sure that their quality requirements are adhered to....

But perhaps a boutiquey brand being subcontracted to factories in those places ? I might be a bit less-inclined to breathe easy, just because I wonder what the QC of a house/boutique brand which is TRYING to price their new horns more "budgety" or "reasonable":...would be doing in compromises to make that a reality in today's (twisted) manufacturing/profit world.
Amen and an emphatic "Yes!" to the concept of QC. It really does come down to whether the brand name is just having their name engraved on a production instrument or whether they are mindfully engaged in ensuring that their stencils incorporate any value-added level of manufacture (selection of materials such as pads and pivots, key fitting, setup, etc.).

Does the brand-name company have a presence at the manufacturing site?
 

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