Handmade Bass sax anyone?

I haven't heard from the buyer of my soprano (ended Sunday). Fingers crossed all round.

NB - in case you are wondering, the previous message from Alf (probably deleted by the time you read this) is from me. Alf is my alias here that I use it for testing as some of you may know. I'd forgotten I was still logged in as Alf.
 
rhysonsax wrote:
I suugest we meet up on a river - the bass sax should be big enough to do a spot of kayaking in !

If it even exists - haven't heard from the seller since Monday and starting to get twitchy.

Rhys


I wouldn't recommend it, You would have to be a complete head case to go near water with a sax!!

:whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
 
Chris Jones wrote:
rhysonsax wrote:
I suugest we meet up on a river - the bass sax should be big enough to do a spot of kayaking in !

If it even exists - haven't heard from the seller since Monday and starting to get twitchy.

Rhys


I wouldn't recommend it, You would have to be a complete head case to go near water with a sax!!

:whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

Or Pete 'Voodoo Chill' Thomas
 
Have heard back from Germany that the package has been held up in Germany due to a fog-bound Heathrow.

The seller has given me a shipment number so that I can follow its progress and it's got from Frankfurt to Brussels so far. Looks unlikely that I'll have it in time for Christmas, but at least it seems to exist !

I've got a great jazz version of "Silent Night" by Jim Galloway on soprano - wonder how it would sound two octaves lower ? !

Have a great Christmas everyone.

Rhys
 
Edit - A big thank you to Spike for spotting the original eBay advert in Germany and for spending a long time chatting to the seller in German to check him out for me before I dared to bid. That was really generous of you Spike, so cheers and my bank manager would like a word with you !

The bass sax spent Christmas at Heathrow and was finally delivered just after lunch today. I couldn't lift it at all as the package was over 29kg and I have just done my back in before Christmas playing football !

Amazingly the horn is in superb condition - it could pass for new and is even better than the photos show on eBay. No damage at all in transit and very few signs of being played. The seller had packaged it up very well, with polystyrene all around the momster case and protection inside as well.

He very generously put in a Zinner mouthpiece, some Rico #3 reeds and a weird strap affair. This is something like a wide belt, with two hooks at each end. I've no idea how to attach it correctly, but the horn has a second ring near the top that could be a second attachment point. But when I tried it over my shoulder and connecting to the two rings, the horn slung much too low down to be playable. Any ideas anyone ?

The only tiny fault is that the spring on the bis key isn't working. I thought that maybe it had slipped out of position, but that doesn't seem to be it, and the spring certainly has a bit of strength in it. The key moves OK without horrendous friction, so it looks like it's a case for the Steve Howard magic touch.

The Zinner mouthpiece looks huge and is a real mouthfull. It has a big built-up baffle inside, probably for a modern sound.

It's a big stretch around the instrument, especially for the left hand to reach the octave key and miss the palm keys. Action seems very light for something this big.

I can get some noises in the mid-range, but it feels like the reeds are too soft. I normally play something like a #4 on bari, so maybe I'll have to get some bigger planks of wood for this. Probably quite a few quid each !

I don't know whether the numbering systems are different for the different sizes of sax, but I seem to need progressively harder reeds for the bigger horns (2.5 for soprano, 3 for alto & tenor and 4 for bari).

Been listening to an Adrian Rollini CD and the bass can be a really agile horn in the right hands. I've also got some bass sax tracks in a more modern vein by James Carter.

I'll let you all know when the beast is going to Steve Howard's and when it is in full honking order.

All the beast

Rhys

ps Steve says to tell Pete that the Red Lion is crap - it's the Thomas Lord or nothing! They've got comfy chairs, and a proper fire!
 
Glad to hear it arrived Rhys! Have fun on it. I don't use progressively harder reeds on bigger horns, I use round about 2.5 to 3 on everything - I assumed that the numberings for different horns' reeds were equivalent.

If you are a connoiseur of the bass sax, and a mind reader, you might like this; I can't remember exactly who played it, my memory is only vague, but it was a European, possibly Swedish band of recent years, kind of a small big-band, called something like PK7 (hey, maybe there were 7 in the band. Then again there weren't 41 people plus Mark King in Level 42). They featured a phenomenal, quite rude-sounding bass sax, possibly with that high-baffle mpc, played by someone who may, or may not, have been called something like Porky Pekkerson.

Ringing any bells? Anyone..?

Cheers, Bob
 
Hi Rhys,
Glad it all worked out okay. Martin did explain the sling thing to me but I couldn't tell you how it works, it's his own design and goes over the shoulder somehow. The mouthpiece, he modified, adding the baffle to make it play more easily, and also to improve the sound, but I guess that's a personal thing. I did once try to play a bass sax but couldn't extract even a farting murmur from the beast. Perhaps a diet of baked beans may help.
Yes, I knew it'd be all my fault.
gruss - spike
 
You need to have a very loose embouchure for the bass sax. And it takes some getting used to the vibration on the lower notes until they feel more normal.

The sound on basses and baritones are great but I always find that their higher registers are always under-estimated. They are very sweet and smooth and can blend in lovely with other instruments.

Though it is very hard to bet that Honk! Honk! foghorn beat.
 
Well I just saw this beasty and I think Rhys has done very well (The luck of the Breakfast Room what with Jambo's Dolnet). We compared my (ex Adrian Rollini) Buescher True Tone and it was very interesting how different the two horns were. We'll probably see a full write up on Steve Howard's website as Rhys has left it there for a tweaking.

Oh and the Red Lion is a fine pub, thanks for the beer and ploughman's Rhys, worth my my while not bidding against you.
 
Anyone who'd like to see a review of the monster can look at Steve Howard's website:
http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk/Reviews/Saxes/Bari/Keilwerth_SX90_special_bass.htm

Steve has christened it the "Uber-baritone" because of its sound !

I think Steve is pretty fair in his review, but am hoping that by experimenting with different bari and bass mouthpieces I will be able to bring out the real lyrical, bass sax sounds that are lurking in there.

All the best

Rhys
 
And here's me doing my back in at SH's workshop while Rhys looks on:

grunewald.webp


Photo by Stephen Howard
 
That looks more awkward than Steven made out in his write up.

I'd definatly want to playing that from a stand.

I always rest the Bari on my feet when sitting which brings it up to the perfect hight. I also forget the sling, as I then have no need and feel less restricted. Though I put one on, but never tighten it, just so it catches the sax if I go for a C# without thinking about it first.
 
You look like you're buckling a bit there Pete, it's a bit of a monster. Does the weight of it stop you breathing properly, or does it balance quite well? I've seen a clip of Roger Ruskin Spear playing one with the Bonzo's in a similar fashion, he looks ok with it.

Cheers, Bob
 
Rhys,

You look like you might have your hands full with the "beast", Pete Looks just a little uncomfortable there.

What is amazing from SH's write up is the weight 22lb, my baritone is too heavy on a normal sling (serious neck shear), but acceptable with a harness, I have seen a spike kit which you can buy as an after market product somewhere, but for the life of me I can't remember where it was......another senior moment!

Good luck with it and I hope you get as much pleasure from it as I get from my "little" bari!

Simon
 

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