Tone or Sound growling

tomjazz

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Hi all i don't suppose anyone could tell me were i could get a copy of a c.d. it the tune is called"Blues Control" by Paul Van Ross. Also i would love to know if there is a easy way of growling ?? I have tried my way but ripped my throat out :laugh: Hope you are all well Tom.
 
If the resources you've found here aren't working for you.

The author of this book is a member here and recently been talking about a slightly different yet much more advanced effect of split tones.
http://www.musicroom.com/se/ID_No/022486/details.html

I had the book and cassettte tape version of this years ago and it gives pretty good explaination of many effects as well as the growl.
Also, there are backing tracks for you to copy the examples.

Remember though, all these things take time. There is not usually an instant fix, they usually require hours and years before you are happy.
 
Hey come on man, the author is John Laughter and he has excellent ideas (and is very passionate) about r'n'r sax.

However the way your post reads makes it sound like that book tells you about the 'much more advanced effect of split tones', which it doesn't.

Are you referring to the 'split' type altissimo sound guys like Sanborn and Marienthal get on squealy alto? In which case the place for that is Eric Marienthal's DVD 'Modern Sax', during which he devotes a couple of minutes to getting that sound. Or multiphonics a la Coltrane... which you can get into using Steve Gross' 'Multiphonics for the Saxophone'.

Simon

Saxlicker wrote:
If the resources you've found here aren't working for you.

The author of this book is a member here and recently been talking about a slightly different yet much more advanced effect of split tones.
http://www.musicroom.com/se/ID_No/022486/details.html

I had the book and cassettte tape version of this years ago and it gives pretty good explaination of many effects as well as the growl.
Also, there are backing tracks for you to copy the examples.

Remember though, all these things take time. There is not usually an instant fix, they usually require hours and years before you are happy.
 
simon wrote:
Hey come on man, the author is John Laughter and he has excellent ideas (and is very passionate) about r'n'r sax.

However the way your post reads makes it sound like that book tells you about the 'much more advanced effect of split tones', which it doesn't.

Are you referring to the 'split' type altissimo sound guys like Sanborn and Marienthal get on squealy alto? In which case the place for that is Eric Marienthal's DVD 'Modern Sax', during which he devotes a couple of minutes to getting that sound. Or multiphonics a la Coltrane... which you can get into using Steve Gross' 'Multiphonics for the Saxophone'.

Simon
Hey come on Man what?
Let me break it down nice and gently for you!!!

My post was a direct help for Tom pointing him in the direction of John's book.
Secondly it talks about his input into another breakfast room thread regarding split tones.

If you are familiar with posts in both threads I don't see how you can think I am trying to say his book is about split tones..
I've read it back and still don't see how you read that into it.

Just to clear it up
John's book is great for many effects and has helped me a lot.

Somewhere on this forum he has also been able to offer help on a similar yet more advanced effect called split tones.

😡 😡 😡
 
Heheh... man u guys are funny!

I must be wrong cos I haven't read some other posts about the same topic... and then yer get nervous nellie who says "is it safe to come out now?"

To explain, I (re)read this :

"The author of this book is a member here and recently been talking about a slightly different yet much more advanced effect of split tones. <And then the link> "

and it still sounds to me "the author of THIS book.. " hence the link. What other book would you be refering to in the second post of this thread?

I just wanted to point out that the topic of split tones isn't covered in the book you linked to. That's all.

Sheesh... think u guys need to chill... obvious the snow hasn't helped!

Simon


Saxlicker wrote:
If the resources you've found here aren't working for you.

The author of this book is a member here and recently been talking about a slightly different yet much more advanced effect of split tones.
http://www.musicroom.com/se/ID_No/022486/details.html

I had the book and cassettte tape version of this years ago and it gives pretty good explaination of many effects as well as the growl.
Also, there are backing tracks for you to copy the examples.

Remember though, all these things take time. There is not usually an instant fix, they usually require hours and years before you are happy.
 
Simon,

simon wrote:
I just wanted to point out that the topic of split tones isn't covered in the book you linked to. That's all.
Thats great intention but I didn't say it was 8|
I said...
Saxlicker wrote:
The author of this book is a member here and recently been talking about a slightly different yet much more advanced effect of split tones.
Hope this helps?
No mention of the book containing split tones.
As you can see John has duplicated his post about split tones in this thread. Thats what I was talking about.

My only reference to the book contents was this (which is what Tom was asking about)....
Saxlicker wrote:
I had the book and cassettte tape version of this years ago and it gives pretty good explaination of many effects as well as the growl.
Also, there are backing tracks for you to copy the examples.

Tom... I hope this was of some help....now don't load any more bullets by asking for help 😛
 
LOL Thanks all for your help i know your all trying to give the best help you can as every one does on the site. John also got back to me so that was great and very helpful. Tom.





Saxlicker wrote:
Simon,

simon wrote:
I just wanted to point out that the topic of split tones isn't covered in the book you linked to. That's all.
Thats great intention but I didn't say it was 8|
I said...
Saxlicker wrote:
The author of this book is a member here and recently been talking about a slightly different yet much more advanced effect of split tones.
Hope this helps?
No mention of the book containing split tones.
As you can see John has duplicated his post about split tones in this thread. Thats what I was talking about.

My only reference to the book contents was this (which is what Tom was asking about)....
Saxlicker wrote:
I had the book and cassettte tape version of this years ago and it gives pretty good explaination of many effects as well as the growl.
Also, there are backing tracks for you to copy the examples.

Tom... I hope this was of some help....now don't load any more bullets by asking for help 😛

:w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t:
 
if there is a easy way of growling
This may help a little.

Both the growl and the “flutter tongue” were very popular techniques used by sax players in Rock & Roll and R&B music which was hitting the airwaves in the late 50s. Those of us who joined the local school band and liked the new music were asking the band director what this new “gritty or raspy” sound was that we were hearing on Billboard Top 40 hits featuring Lee Allen and Grady Gaines on tenor and Earl Bostic on alto. This effect was used before the 50s and is still very popular in many forms of music. The 1985 hit Rockin' at Midnight by The Honeydrippers features Keith Evans using a lot of this technique in his tenor solo.

There are other ways to achieve the growl effect from what I have read on the NET over the years, but I have only used the method of humming while playing a note to get the growl tone.

I suggest that the best way to learn this technique is to start with only the mouthpiece. Once you get the sound on the m/p, attach it to the neck. If you use the entire horn it can be a problem at first due to the coordination involved. Play a note on the m/p then start “humming” a note that is higher or lower than the pitch that is coming out of the m/p. Some players hum in a falsetto range to get above the note that is produced by the neckpiece. Some players will sing/hum a lower note. For example, when I play a G above the staff on tenor I find that I usually hum the pitch that is close to D below the G.

If you hum the same pitch that is coming out of the neckpiece or sax the effect will be cancelled.

At first you may feel that it is taking a lot of air to play and hum at the same time on the neckpiece. This is natural because you will probably open your throat and exhale too much air as a result of your efforts to hum and exhale at the same time. Easier said than done at first! In time you will learn to control the amount of hum and the coordination will become natural. Now put the horn together and see what happens.

Another approach is to forget the sax mouthpiece and form your mouth to hum/sing as if he is going to sing the word "you" but leave off the "y" so that he got the ooooooo hum sound. After you get the "ooooo" sound then add air (exhale). The "oooo" volume will diminish with the addition of the exhaled air. The combination of the hum and exhaled air will produce a rough sound which is what you want.

Many of us use the growl in the middle and high range, especially from high A above the staff to high F#. I have found that the most effective area for the growl is starting on 2nd space A of the staff and upward. Once you go below 2nd line G it becomes somewhat garbled.

I have read articles that suggest that you hum a (3rd above the note) being produced on the horn. However, while on stage during a live performance with guitar, piano and bass amps I can’t hear the note that I am humming due to the stage volume. I have never thought about the “3rd above” concept so I can’t comment on it, however if it works for you that is all that matters. I hum in a range that is usually below the notes being played which works for me.

Ask for more advice from other local sax players and review articles on the internet. This is valuable because there is always more than one way to approach any effect.

To listen to examples cut and paste the following titles on YouTube;

LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL—SHIRLEY AND LEE—LEE ALLEN—TENOR

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj1yV0K4q1g


SLIPPIN’ AND SLIDIN’—LITTLE RICHARD—LEE ALLEN—TENOR


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpIEnB3UROo


KEEP A KNOCKIN’—LITTLE RICHARD—GRADY GAINES—TENOR

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHrAZhQEO90


UNCHAIN MY HEART—JOE COCKER—CLARENCE CLEMONS—TENOR

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtFUX4Y2U84


THE HEAT IS ON—GLEN FREY—DAVID WOODFORD—TENOR

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKWgYKa2Fh0


ROCKIN’ AT MIDNIGHT—HONEYDRIPPERS—KEITH EVANS—TENOR

- YouTube

UP THERE IN ORBIT—EARL BOSTIC—ALTO

- YouTube

FREEWAY OF LOVE—ARETHA FRANKLIN—CLARENCE CLEMONS—TENOR

- YouTube

LOVE ON A ROOFTOP DESMOND CHILD—CHRIS MOSTERT —TENOR

Other links for the growl.

The saxophone growl - a lot easier than you think if you follow this guide

Saxophone Frequently Asked Questions

Rock & Roll Sax - Book/CD Pack Hal Leonard Online+
 

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