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Greetings Café-lers (if that is a word),

Have been a silent member for a while & gotten useful info both from this forum & Pete's website. Had the opportunity to acquire a PPT tenor mouthpiece recently and couldn't be happier with it, more about that in the mp thread.

I'm currently based in North London. Played alto for 6-7 years during school, then didn't play sax for 29 years (but played lots of music, mostly bass).

In 2023 somehow thought I'd give it another go, and also decided this time I'd try a tenor. After looking into rentals, which are surprisingly sparse even in North London, I realised that it'd be more cost-efficient to just get a cheap horn from the bay to see if I'd stick with it. Bought a cheap vintage Orsi tenor from someone who seemed to know what he was talking about, put a few more pounds into getting it checked over locally, and played it happily for a few months. (It worked reasonably well and sounded great btw, a real rock blaster, bright and loud, really what I wanted it for. Sold it on without a loss once the next horn came along.)

This was the first time playing a tenor, back in school I never thought about switching gear, didn't even realise there was such an option. I just played whatever was given to me. Which first was a rental from our village music school, a vintage Conn alto in frosted silver which looked great, and then my own alto sax which was a 1980s Yamaha YAS-32 (that I sold terribly underpriced some years later, along with an 80s-or-earlier Meyer mp that was gifted to me ... much to my regret and somebody else's benefit).

Was thrilled to discover this new world of online resources, things are very different now from the 90s! Back then I knew noone who played professionally, and the only name I was aware of was somebody called Michael Brecker whose name was on my brother's Dire Straits records. Every time I thought, oh, that sounds quite good, and checked the record sleeve to see who the player was, it said Michael Brecker. So until 'Lily was here' became a hit, that was the only saxophonist I knew by name, and I'd say he's the reason it occurred to me that the saxophone was a fine instrument to learn.

Been practicing relatively regularly for these last 1 1/2 years and enjoying it.
 
I tried renting something from Dogs, Camden when I had a longish visit... They wouldn't.

Anyway, welcome
Yes, I didn't realise just how niche saxophones are ... A friend's daughter expressed interest to learn playing, and it never happened because the school didn't get enough interest so they're not offering lessons! It makes me sad really. I think any kid these days who is ready to learn any skill not involving staring at a screen should have all the support in the world. I can't compensate for the fun of learning in a group of peers, plus I barely find the time to learn the instrument myself, so I can't do much about it. The local music shop said they may get a kid's group together, but don't think it's happening yet. Just makes me realise how lucky I was to have music teachers in all of the schools I went to who put so many choirs, groups, musicals, bands and concerts together!
 
Yes, I didn't realise just how niche saxophones are ... A friend's daughter expressed interest to learn playing, and it never happened because the school didn't get enough interest so they're not offering lessons! It makes me sad really. I think any kid these days who is ready to learn any skill not involving staring at a screen should have all the support in the world. I can't compensate for the fun of learning in a group of peers, plus I barely find the time to learn the instrument myself, so I can't do much about it. The local music shop said they may get a kid's group together, but don't think it's happening yet. Just makes me realise how lucky I was to have music teachers in all of the schools I went to who put so many choirs, groups, musicals, bands and concerts together!
It's so sad really. I don't play from music sheets and think that reading and playing are not always necessarry..ideal but not necessary..Ive tried running blowout groups at our local church hall for fun..I thought there would be a lot of interest as Im in west London but none..It's a shame really..
 
Welcome to the cafe, @chrysalis!

Good to hear that you've already learned a lot from the cafe and TTS. I can't speak highly enough of these 2 wonderful 'learning resources'! They complement each other perfectly.

FWIW, I'm a tenor sax PPT player too.

I fully agree with you that it's truly sad that kids who have some interest for the sax can't (easily) get local lessons. Via internet (I live in NL) I do see that there a few shops - even in North London - that still offer 3-month or longer rentals (with the option of buying with the rental deducted). This is how I first rented and then bought my 1st sax.

But getting lessons is a 2nd challenge. There seem to be much fewer 'locaL music schools' in London than there are in NL, where almost every town and large village has a local musical school (usually subsided by local councils) where kids can learn to play an instrument. An alternative is to look for a local tutor. But I accept that the costs of rental + lessons (music school/tutor) won't be within many people's budget.

One of the 'typically Dutch' ways of learning to play a wind/brass instrument (aged 11--12) is to join a local 'wind orchestra' or brass band. Almost every town and village has one. And they are all eager to recruit youngsters who want to learn. to play. So they'll often 'lend' youngsters an instrument, give them some basic lessons (by a more experienced adult member) and encourage them to join the 'beginner's orchestra/band' as soon as they are able. Youngsters who choose to get lessons at the local music school are given a discount.

I've never fully realised what a great "grass roots" musical educational system this is in NL up until now. I still remember - from 25 years ago - when I'd just started playing tenor sax in a local 'Wind Orchestra' that I offered to play in the 'Beginner's Orchestra' too. Just to give them some support. My daughter (then 12) had had a couple of lessons on flute and decided to join the 'beginner's orchestra' too. It was wonderful to play in the same 'orchestra' together!

The 'beginners orchestra', of course, sounded truly awful! But all members had a great time and all earned a lot. After a year or so, my daughter joined the main (very amateur!) 'wind orchestra' and that was even more special. I would like to say that she went on to become a talented flautist. But aged 17, she decided that she liked being behind a drum kit much more!

Personally, I believe that the instrument most kids start out on isn't so important. Much more important IMHO is to nature their interest (and sometimes love) of performing music And I fully agree that it's truly sad when this interest/love gets 'thwarted' at an early age.

Hopefully - if their 'drive' is strong enough - they'll pick up again at a later age.
 
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