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Saxophone beginners Going to jam session tomorrow night

I don't think everyone realizes how much music they have actually internalized just by listening to it.
I'm amazed at how much music is stored inside my head. Probably from a lifetime of listening and appreciating music played by others. I can recall multiple tunes and hum them or just hear them in my head.

The problem is getting what's in there to my fingers and out of the horn. I've been been complimented on my attempts at improvising and that I have 'good ears' - the note choices, phrasing and rhythm (I won't mention tone! ).

I feel frustrated that I can't really play 'known' songs without the dots but can improvise over them fairly well? I suppose it's just a case of more practise.....
 
I don't think everyone realizes how much music they have actually internalized just by listening to it. Take something easy, like pop. When I play or sit in with rock/pop/contemporary groups, they'll call a tune and I'll play it. It doesn't matter what key. Maybe never having ever played it before. But I know it, because I've heard it. Lots of times. Or maybe just a few times. Rhythm players often think it's some sort of voodoo savant thing, but it's just taking the tune through your ears to your fingers; without going through your eyes. Eventually, you just do it. Or not. You never know till you put away the pages.
I agree with you. I'm very glad that BBC R2 used to play so many standards, when I was a kid, and my Mum used to listen while ironing!
 
I don't think everyone realizes how much music they have actually internalized just by listening to it. Take something easy, like pop. When I play or sit in with rock/pop/contemporary groups, they'll call a tune and I'll play it. It doesn't matter what key. Maybe never having ever played it before. But I know it, because I've heard it. Lots of times. Or maybe just a few times. Rhythm players often think it's some sort of voodoo savant thing, but it's just taking the tune through your ears to your fingers; without going through your eyes. Eventually, you just do it. Or not. You never know till you put away the pages.
I really don't disagree with what your saying here, but some players will be at different levels and as such may need more help, the point i was trying to make is no one cares if you have the music there or not, what matters is what the punters hears and sometimes even that doesn't matter to some of the listeners, it can be just a night out for some.
 
I went to a workshop at the World Stage today. The energy was great, so many good musicians in one room, my friend was there who plays clarinet, guitar, and tap dances. I got to play my horn for a couple of minutes with the band, I was a bit disoriented and felt like I didn't know how to figure out what to blow. I wasn't letting go right away. Afterwards the teacher asked me what I was thinking about, so I told him how I felt. Then the session was over. There was a flautist, an alto, a few drummers, piano players, bass players, and more musicians in the audience. I didn't have a chance to set up my iPad, so there was no sheet music involved. I hope to have better luck next time at expressing myself in a more meaningfully in terms of the way I was playing. There's a lot more I wanted to do and say in that setting. It just didn't come to me today but what did was a lot of joy from finding my community. I really enjoyed meeting as many people as I could and I'm definitely going to go back to this to gain more experience. I intend to play my arrangement of "I'm Late" from Alice in Wonderland in an uptempo swing style if given the opportunity next time.

Here's the way I played it in my studio. I have a dream of playing this live with the others. And other songs too.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_vjz_0wuUY
Basically, your first experience with a workshop and you were nervous.

I commend your bravery for jumping in. It can only go better next time.

May I make a suggestion ? I think if your intent is go start showing up at the Jam and the Workshop regularly....

Start concentrating on working up less obscure tunes. Jazz standards, the ones usually called, have NOT REALLY CHANGED very much since I started playing them in 1976. Honestly....a bit baffling but true.

There was a guy I used to jam with in Portland, good tenor player...and while EVERYONE ELSE had Realbook 1 and 2, and the New Realbooks 1 and/or 2 sometimes....

....that is around 900-1000 tunes worth of material right there....

He had NONE of those volumes. What he HAD DONE, was create his own book of around 160 standards. That was his known repertoire, period.
70% of the time, and in two or three differently populated regular jams around town.... the songs in his book were the songs that got called. If you get my drift.

There ARE sorta 'core' jazz standards that are really good to know, even tho they might not necessarily be the priority tunes which match your particular taste or immediate desires.

So...
Looking back at all your recent recording threads, for example....

Stella By Starlight
My Romance

Absolutely straight down the middle, called all the time. Common, good on those.

I Never Had a Chance
I'm Late

In almost fifty years of jams, east coast, west coast, southwest...never....have either of those ever been called at a jam I attended, or just watched. Very strong chance should you prepare and waltz in with one of those, or the like...someone in the rhythm section is gonna call it/wave it off.

Not necessarily because they are being jerks, but because nobody really knows 'em and to dig the chart up of a tune a few members of the rhythm section have never played, might not be something they wanna do, is all.

('Ohhhhh, maaan - that new guy who always calls those weird tunes is here tonight' .....You don't WANNA be THAT guy...trust me ).

I cannot sift thru all your posted recordings here but if my old memory serves, there were one or two others which you did which were also quite obscure.
 
I'm amazed at how much music is stored inside my head. Probably from a lifetime of listening and appreciating music played by others. I can recall multiple tunes and hum them or just hear them in my head.

The problem is getting what's in there to my fingers and out of the horn. I've been been complimented on my attempts at improvising and that I have 'good ears' - the note choices, phrasing and rhythm (I won't mention tone! ).

I feel frustrated that I can't really play 'known' songs without the dots but can improvise over them fairly well? I suppose it's just a case of more practise.....
I absolutely need written music when I play. It's just where I'm at. I have still internalized the music in my ear but my fingers are programmed to respond to the notes on the page. I never learned to play songs without sheet music, and I have no intention of trying. There are just way too many notes and complicated patterns to recall off the top of my head and I would say it's just impossible. Having said that, I once played Misty, very badly, at a jam, without sheet music.
 
This has been discussed here and on the Regime Sax Forum before....'a list of core standards for the jazz beginner' or the like...

And again my recollection is that list, while it has some variance in material maybe 10%....is comprised of a good 20-40 or more 'common' tunes most can agree with....those which you can COUNT ON to pop up in such sessions ALL THE TIME.

You said at the jam Blue Bossa, Misty, and Autumn Leaves all got called.

Yup, expect that to happen again another 100 times...those are three which always make the Most Common list. You will run into those again, forever...

Look those lists, threads, etc up...or if you wanna be lazy...re-ask the question in a new thread here 😳
Prioritize familiarizing yourself with those sorta tunes (again if your goal is to start jamming more regularly).
 
....those which you can COUNT ON to pop up in such sessions ALL THE TIME.
A lot of truth in your last two posts, Jaye. While most of the jams I attend are blues jams, the same principle applies. Certain tunes are called all the time, while a smattering of less common, but still fairly well-known, tunes come up. Including some of the 'bluesier' jazz tunes that I suspect also get called at jazz jams. Funky tunes like 'Cold Duck Time', lots of Herbie Hancock tunes like 'Watermelon Man' & 'Cantaloupe Island'. Jazz blues such as 'Sonnymoon for Two', 'Tenor Madness'. 'The Work Song' is one of my favorites, that is fairly well-known. And on & on.

I'm sure you could compile a long list of other jazz tunes commonly called at jazz jams. But the bottom line is to find out what tunes are called at whatever jam you attend. If it's a new jam for you, it might be worth attending the first time as an audience member, notebook in hand to write down some of the tunes being called. Then go home and learn them.
 
...and don't forget All the Chords You Know (/ Things You Are) 🙂

Talking of Worksong @JSL - I tried to use the head to fill a solo over the chord (I don't think there was more than one in that bit of our arrangement!) for 16 bars of the 'James Bond Theme' the last time our big band had a gig. It sort of worked - next time it might be 'Night in Tunisia' or maybe 'Softly, as in a morning thingybob'. There's a couple of minor suggestions @AlonW - and how about 'Footprints' while we're there.

We could have a whole thread on how to be 'that guy'. Including insisting on unusual keys for the usual tunes which are really going to p*ss the pianist off. Or suggesting the guitarist use a capo...
 
Talking of Worksong @JSL - I tried to use the head for fill a solo over the chord (I don't think there was more than one in that bit of our arrangement) for 16 bars of the 'James Bond Theme' the last time our big band had a gig. It sort of worked - next time it might be 'Night in Tunisia' or maybe 'Softly, as in a morning thingybob'.
You make a good point here. A lot of heads for jazz & blues tunes lend themselves to use in different contexts. IOW, they comprise some very useful 'vocabulary'. The blues heads are often based on pentatonics & blues scales, with a good indication on how to use the notes in those scales effectively. It's well worth learning and internalizing those head arrangements. Some of them may come out in your solos.
 
I'm amazed at how much music is stored inside my head
If you recall, I suggested that was a great place to start in your doorbell post...
... Based, in part, on that what's stored in my head resembles the Sahara desert. I can find Stary Stary night on just about any tube you can blow through and that's about it. It's a tune is got when young and stuck before I gave up. That's all.

People are different and really experienced people who say "this is how it is because that's how it is for me" don't really get it.

One has to work what what you have and where you are.
 
People are different and really experienced people who say "this is how it is because that's how it is for me" don't really get it.

One has to work what what you have and where you are.
True to an extent. But I do think "really experienced" (or even somewhat experienced) people can provide some advice and guidance based on that experience. It still might not work for some, but it shouldn't be entirely discounted until giving it a try. Or something like that...
 
but it shouldn't be entirely discounted until giving it a try.
Like the old joke:
"can you play violin?"
" I don't know, I've never tried "

I actually had a chance to use that joke a while ago. There was an English visiting klezmer band and they where selling their arrangements... As I was looking a band member asked me if I played violin... I gave the above reply, we thought it was very funny but the Scandinavians around looked very confused. I had to explain I play clarinet to avoid an outbreak of PTSD.
There are bits of violin music that are very hard to adapt to wind...
 
I would rather absorb the energy of Chet’s playing through the enjoyment of listening than taking every note he played as gospel. ...
The point of transcribing solos is not to go out and play them note for note, but to learn how the player constructed his lines, which patterns he used, and incorporate those into your working vocabulary.

(Although "energy" and Chet Baker don't really seem to go together much...)
 

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