Beginner impro Difference between "interlude" and "(horn) soli" ?

[LostCircuits]

Ouuuuhhhh .... Solo (singular) - Soli (plural) .... Solis (genitive of sol / sun)

O tempo'a o mo'es as the Nubian pirate said in Asterix

 

[JayeNM]

Glossary of Jazz Terms

A list of common jazz terms from the perspective of the jazz piano student.

www.sonic.net

Shout chorus: a special, complete, through-composed chorus played just before the final out-chorus. Also pep chorus. Used in classic (20s) jazz, some bebop, and a few modern compositions, such as Wayne Shorter's This Is For Albert.​

Yes...although "Chorus" is always a slippery term, isn't it ? I think many use "chorus" as being = to either melody or entire head.

In my band if we use the term Chorus, then we use the term "Verse" along with it.

If we decide to go by letters....i.e. AABA...we don't start calling a section the "chorus" then.

Benny Golson's 'Whisper Not' , AABA, has the Shout taking the place of the first two A's...after the Shout it goes into the final B-A.

Bobby Timmon's "Dat Dere", AABA, has its Shout on A-A-B, then returns to the original final A to end it.

(I would describe either exactly as I described above. I would not say of either "before the final out-chorus" because that would be either nebulous....or just inaccurate).

So it is a pretty flexible term, methinks.

Here is another THING which I started remembering, here....is this an Interlude, a Shout, or something else ?

View: https://youtu.be/cnfH-Cg27kU?si=2Qf5x-_TgcBKk9cj


Starts at 4:05...is that a Shout, an Interlude , or..... ? What'd'ya think ?

 

[Dr G]

Ugh...I yam what I yam.....

Congito ergo spud.

 

[JayeNM]

How about what is going on HERE, at 3:10 ?:

View: https://youtu.be/yKWphXfIsxs?si=jD8x4vCodYfXnm6c

(pretty brilliant piece of composing there, BTW....by a brilliant composer...my interpretation has always been Horace didn't want to solo over the original bass line/phrase/pulse he sets for the rest of the tune...either because it would sound too busy... or just be a pain...so using that new section... he changed the pulse/bass phrase for his solo alone)

 

[ghostler]

Bebop didn't invent it. Medieval and Renaissance composers did the same.

Thanks for the explanation. The link I provided was simply a jazz glossary, mentioned briefly use of contrafacts in Bebop, but didn't get into its historical origination details or use in other music.

 

[progger]

Uh-oh, are we talking about nomenclature in compositional form? One of my favorite topics! 😈

Seems like OP's question has already been sorted, but just to pile on, yes, a "soli" is a particular "show off the ensemble" section of an arrangement, usually in a jazz big band, while an "interlude" can really be anything that diverges from central themes within a larger work.

Generally, theoretical terms like these should be practical and aid with communication, not add to confusion. There are just so many that have accumulated over the centuries that they often do the latter. Music is deeply tied to society and culture, which are not elegantly designed things, so there's a ton of terminology that evolves organically and sloppily within any tradition. And it can be different from region to region, even within a relatively codified scene.

Don't get me started about you Englishmen and your quavers.

 

[Pete Thomas]

Don't get me started about you Englishmen and your quavers.

As long as you don't generalise. Many of us use the more international 1/8 notes etc as it makes for better communication.

My wife, as renaissance scholar use breves. I’m not sure how those are referred to on the 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 etc system.

 

[Pete Effamy]

Or her head. Or their head.

If they all want to be referred to as “they”, how does that work ? What’s plural of plural 😳😩

 

[Pete Effamy]

Uh-oh, are we talking about nomenclature in compositional form? One of my favorite topics! 😈

Seems like OP's question has already been sorted, but just to pile on, yes, a "soli" is a particular "show off the ensemble" section of an arrangement, usually in a jazz big band, while an "interlude" can really be anything that diverges from central themes within a larger work.

Generally, theoretical terms like these should be practical and aid with communication, not add to confusion. There are just so many that have accumulated over the centuries that they often do the latter. Music is deeply tied to society and culture, which are not elegantly designed things, so there's a ton of terminology that evolves organically and sloppily within any tradition. And it can be different from region to region, even within a relatively codified scene.

Don't get me started about you Englishmen and your quavers.

It’s a very tasty snack!

 

[Pete Effamy]

breves

Don’t think I’ve ever had one in front of me, even in my “classical career”. Not surprised being a clarinetist I s’pose, maybe a flautist or double reed player..

 

[Pete Thomas]

If they all want to be referred to as “they”, how does that work ? What’s plural of plura

That’s one of the anomalies of the English language. It often has many words that mean the same thing, and yet something as common as a possessive pronoun for an indeterminate sex or gender that can’t differentiate between singular and plural is beyond me.

But we digress, back to the topic…

 

[skeller047]

My wife, as renaissance scholar use breves. I’m not sure how those are referred to on the 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 etc system.

“Double whole note”.

As an aside, most texts I’ve encountered use the words for fractional notes. “Quarter note” instead of “1/4 note”. I admit I don’t spend a lot of time in academic circles anymore…

 

[Targa]

So...what is a "Shout" ...then ?

During a long solo the rest of the band go for a drink.
As in ‘Who’s shout is it’.

 

[JayeNM]

During a long solo the rest of the band go for a drink.
As in ‘Who’s shout is it’.

Pretty sure that happens only on bass solos...usually because the rest of the band thinks the set is over....

 

[Pete Effamy]

Pretty sure that happens only on bass solos...usually because the rest of the band thinks the set is over....

Everyone chats during the bass solo (he said rather ashamedly)

 

[mizmar]

 

[Pete Thomas]

As an aside, most texts I’ve encountered use the words for fractional notes.

I know, I use fractions sometimes out of lazyness.