Mouthpieces Counterfeits, knockoffs, etc.

[GCinCT]

I WANT a 63 split window Corvette coupe in mint condition, but I don't WANT to pay for it; so I GO WITHOUT.

You have excellent taste! That is my favorite car of all time. I want one too, but it's a bit above my budget.

 

[turf3]

You have excellent taste! That is my favorite car of all time. I want one too, but it's a bit above my budget.

"a bit"? You've done better with your investments than I have.

Actually, my favorite car is the first series E type Jaguar. Designed by God Himself at his personal drafting board. But the Sting Ray isn't far behind.

 

[GCinCT]

"a bit"? You've done better with your investments than I have.

Actually, my favorite car is the first series E type Jaguar. Designed by God Himself at his personal drafting board. But the Sting Ray isn't far behind.

"a bit"? You've done better with your investments than I have.

Actually, my favorite car is the first series E type Jaguar. Designed by God Himself at his personal drafting board. But the Sting Ray isn't far behind.

The Jag is another one of my favorites. '60s sports cars were incredible. I am also a big fan of the Aston Martin DB5. When I said "a bit" I was having a little fun. I can barely afford the 1/24-scale models.

 

[Pete Thomas]

At any rate, I am opposed to "letting it slide" when people come on here and either admit (always defensively) to having bought a fake, or when they ask opinions about doing it.

I wouldn't expect anyone to let it slide, I think the best response on a family friendly forum is to politely inform of the law (although it can vary depending on jurisdiction) and any facts regarding the heinous trade and its associations with other illegal trades. I would suggest not being or appearing to be judgmental unless someone tries to aggressively condone or justify counterfeiting. However if it comes to that mods should be informed rather than getting into confrontation.

I bought a custom guitar once because it played beautifully. It has a hand made dark ash body and is branded "Wilmo" BUT the neck has a Fender Logo. I don't know why because the neck is also very obviously bespoke made and as far as I know not a Fender copy.. If I ever sell it I would remove the Fender transfer, simple as that.

 

[skeller047]

Counterfeits are a form of lying. Lying is wrong. We all know it, yet we all do it sometimes. The term “white lie” captures this dichotomy, a lie made to protect someone or to make someone appear “better”.

“Black lie” refers to a lie done to damage someone else, or to get money. Counterfeiting is a black lie.

QE-freakin’-D

 

[Grumps]

About forty years ago my father had a friend who visited NYC often and would come back with fake Rolexes. Heck, I even got a couple at the time. Anyhow, when I see the guy now he'll have me come up to speak privately and will tell me how he much misses my old man (who passed a few years back). "I do too", I'll reply, "thank you, your honor"...

 

[JayeNM]

I would never advise to sell on even disclosing as a fake. Somewhere down the line later it's going to be resold without such a disclosure.

Yes THAT was the issue which I had not really considered at the time I listed it, that is why I decided after that experience never to wade in those waters again.

My initial rationale was that "if I am clearly disclosing it is a forgery, and the buyer is clearly agreeing to buy a forgery, then I have been truthful"...but again, it leaves out the aspect of what someone else down the line may do with it....

 

[JayeNM]

In the past I thought like you - if you obliterate the fake mark, so it's just "a saxophone, no name on", that this would be OK. But upon thinking about it more, I realized the secondary market does support the primary market.

I am trying to follow this but I cannot...the way I see it, if the seller obliterated the engraving, and sold it as a 'generic asian modern sax'...what 'harm' would that cause anyone ?

What advantage would counterfeiters attain by this ?

To me, no harm at all, and counterfeiters get zero out of it....I have taken their dirty-fingered creation, removed the offense, and resold the piece of musical hardware.

Now, the problem here becomes- to obliterate an engraving, you gotta scar the finish of the horn significantly...buff it out completely or literally 'cross out' the engraving with a new engraving.

So, right there, doing the 'right thing' makes the horn - literally almost worthless. Maybe less so if you can buff it out than cross it out....but either way you end up with the same conundrum trying to resell:

either resell a horn with a forged engraving, to which 90% of people would not wanna touch,

or resell a horn which is significantly blemished albeit is playable. The latter is the preferable alternative and I cannot see how that would be harmful to either new buyer or the market in any way.

 

[JSL]

I'm simply curious what goes through people's heads when they plop down their $$ and decide to support counterfeiters. If you have any ideas, please share.

I'll simply quote P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute". There's your answer.