Tech/maintenance Conn 22m Tenor sax c# key question

[jtd]

Hi All. quick "wonderment" about the left hand table on a Conn 22m tenor. A local home school band dropped this off with a post for the C# key in the case
😎 .
I have never worked on this model and have a kind of amazement on what appears to be a spring going nowhere on the table end of the key. Hard to explain but I hope the pictures show it. Also the "hook" to the key pad itself looks very odd to me.
Does anyone have some pictures I could look at for this key setup? I have a feeling that I am off a bit in the placement of the post even though the rod fits well. The rod and the G# paddle are not working together correctly. I hope that I explained this clearly enough. ( but I doubt it). Thanks Jt.

 

[Stephen Howard]

I haven't seen a 22M in many years, so I could be wrong....but...

The low C# cup key isn't sprung - so relies on all the opening and closing force coming from the lever key.
As there's no sign of a spring (other than that which sits over the key cup stub) at the lower end of the lever key, it has to be the one at the top end that does the work.
But there's no spring cradle. Now, I think I've seen this sort of thing before on another horn - where the spring simple sits against the key arm. It's a bit of a crappy design (saves a few pennies I suppose) but it works nonetheless.
I'm assuming there's no sign of a cradle on the lever key barrel having dropped off? And I can't see any sign of a hole drilled in the C# lever arm that would accommodate a spring.

I can't see why the C#/G# wouldn't work together when sprung up. Might need a tweak if you've refitted the pillar - but that should be all.

 

[jtd]

I haven't seen a 22M in many years, so I could be wrong....but...

The low C# cup key isn't sprung - so relies on all the opening and closing force coming from the lever key.
As there's no sign of a spring (other than that which sits over the key cup stub) at the lower end of the lever key, it has to be the one at the top end that does the work.
But there's no spring cradle. Now, I think I've seen this sort of thing before on another horn - where the spring simple sits against the key arm. It's a bit of a crappy design (saves a few pennies I suppose) but it works nonetheless.
I'm assuming there's no sign of a cradle on the lever key barrel having dropped off? And I can't see any sign of a hole drilled in the C# lever arm that would accommodate a spring.

I can't see why the C#/G# wouldn't work together when sprung up. Might need a tweak if you've refitted the pillar - but that should be all.

Thanks Stephen. You made me realize I had terms mixed up between key and lever arm. My bad. I'm not as experienced as you guys 🙂 . The lever arm is what I thought was strange. It will not work the pad key when shown as in the picture. And at the post where the lever arm paddle attaches, there is a spring attached to that post that appears to hook on nothing, except maybe under the lever arm paddle somehow. I appreciate your reply and wish I could describe it better. Thank you very much for the reply. I might try some new pics. Jtd

 

[jtd]

Well, it turns out that by moving the post about 1/16 " out fixed the problem. A sloppy solder job, but given the location and my essential tremors, at least it now works. Thanks again Stephen and anyone else who was going to reply. You are the best resource on the web. Jtd

 

[PigSquealer]

But there's no spring cradle. Now, I think I've seen this sort of thing before on another horn - where the spring simple sits against the key arm. It's a bit of a crappy design (saves a few pennies I suppose) but it works nonetheless.
I'm assuming there's no sign of a cradle on the lever key barrel having dropped off? And I can't see any sign of a hole drilled in the C# lever arm that would accommodate a spring.

I’ve seen this too. The spring just rides on back of key touch arm. No pin / cradle, hole or notch. Funky set up like an assist spring to table.
I don’t remember if there was a second spring at lower post by key-cup arm ?