Miscellaneous Change in the U.K.?

jbtsax · Sep 18, 2014

Oh dear, I seem to have kicked an "anthill" here. >:)

altissimo · Sep 18, 2014

jbtsax said:
We Amuricans really have no concept of what it must be like to have such vast histories like all of the European countries since our country is such an infant on the world stage. Some of you live in houses that are older than our country.

from a geological point if view, America is just as old as the rest of the planet.... and haven't there been people living there for thousands of years?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

jbtsax · Sep 18, 2014

altissimo said:
from a geological point if view, America is just as old as the rest of the planet.... and haven't there been people living there for thousands of years?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

You are correct. Most of the population of the U.S. are the true "illegal aliens" from the point of view of the Native Americans. We err in thinking of just the history of the United States of America as a nation. Or those %$#*&!! Colonies as you chaps might call us. 🙂

trimmy · Sep 18, 2014

Jeanette said:
I just see myself as Yorkshire first, despite living wrong side of the Pennines 🙂

Jx

I did a Ps. Scouse first 😉

Tenor Viol · Sep 18, 2014

jbtsax said:
We Amuricans really have no concept of what it must be like to have such vast histories like all of the European countries since our country is such an infant on the world stage. Some of you live in houses that are older than our country.

Hi JBT - you make a good point, I had a similar discussion with a retired American teacher when I did my trek around Alaska a few years ago. Where I lived at the time in Cheshire, the pubs in the main square date to the 1500s, the church to the 1300s and there are Saxon crosses that date to the 800s.

Where I live now, the current church is 1713 - the Medieval one from the 1200s fell down in 1693, there was a Roman fort. The main High Street is a mix of C16th/C17th/C18th/C19th buildings (and an obnoxious 1960s one...). The oldest buildings in town are some shops which are in part C13th.

The Union which is under review today in Scotland is 300 years' old...

I would be Scouser, Lancastrian, honorary Salopian, English, British. Most of my family heritage is probably Irish...

kevgermany · Sep 18, 2014

Pointless. The votes will mostly be based on emotions, not rational thought. It's a United Kingdom because the English accepted a Scottish king when Elizabeth I passed on, even if the real union came later.

We're all humans and we should live together like humans. Not create artificial boundaries and divisions based on emotional reactions to past events.

trimmy · Sep 18, 2014

kevgermany said:
We're all humans and we should live together like humans. Not create artificial boundaries and divisions based on emotional reactions to past events.

Kev for Prime Minister of England 😉

But i do agree about boundaries

Andrew Sanders · Sep 18, 2014

Now the Yorkshire separatist numpties have started.
Bloody Geof Boycott, Bloody Dickie Bird, Bloody Harry Gration.
God save us from professional Yorkshiremen.They give us Northerners a bad name.
Sorry Jeanette.

Alc. · Sep 18, 2014

I was surprised to learn that in Scotland the voting age is 16! That could be a factor if the the youth of Scotland is dissatisfied with the status quo.

As for Texas, we in New Mexico don't care what they do, as long as they keep their stupid superior attitude on their side of the border. If they want to secede, maybe Mexico will let them become part of their lovely social order.

Targa · Sep 18, 2014

If they vote 'yes' I think all the scots living in England should be driven back over the border.
I've already got my wife's bags packed and in the car, she might be having a surprise trip tomorrow.

Tenor Viol · Sep 18, 2014

The voting age generally is 18 in the UK. The Scottish parliament specifically changed the law for the referendum...

Colin the Bear · Sep 19, 2014

kevgermany said:
Pointless. The votes will mostly be based on emotions, not rational thought. It's a United Kingdom because the English accepted a Scottish king when Elizabeth I passed on, even if the real union came later.

We're all humans and we should live together like humans. Not create artificial boundaries and divisions based on emotional reactions to past events.

The Scottish king was the legal heir to the English throne. I was under the impression that the Union came about when England bailed out a bankrupt Scotland.

We are where we are and some like to remember how we got here so we don't repeat past mistakes. People who are similar disagree more passionately than people who are very different. I think in this post Empire era, most English people can accept Scotland wishing to leave the Union.

zelda · Sep 19, 2014

It's been the lead story here all week on CTV and the left-wing, taxpayer-supported CBC channels on tv (telly). On my way to work this morning at 6:00 AM, on CBC Radio, it was the lead story.
I'm of British ancestry (English on both sides- Dorset and Isle of Wight). I was conceived in a former British colony and born in Canada seven months later.
I've been following the goings ons since Day 1 pretty much but have no opinion either way. I'm listening to As It Happens on CBC Radio as I'm having supper right now (6:35 PM). And guess what? Yes, they're talking about the referendum. Hopefully, no one will think me a left-winger because I've been listening to the CBC but right now, they're the only radio station really following this story.

old git · Sep 19, 2014

History tells us that we are all immigrants and were usually less than pleasant to those who had arrived before us. Could mention the Welsh situation at the time of Glyndẅr but then remember we were not actually kind to the Beaker people.

Let's hope we've learned.

jonf · Sep 19, 2014

It's all over now. Maybe voting was based on rationalism after all.

Bizarrely, I awoke with a song from my youth in my head this morning. "Heroin, it's all over" by the Lurkers. Funny thing, the brain, at six AM

Targa · Sep 19, 2014