BOTM BOTM November 2020: It Never Entered My Mind

[guidocreo]

Thanks @guidocreo , nice tenor sound and a good mix.

You started in the right place (after the 4 bar introduction) with a gentle reading of the tune, but you fell behind by the start of the second A section, so when you got to the bridge (B section) you were two bars behind the tune.

The drummer on the backing track changes to sticks for the second chorus but you were still finishing off the head.

As well as learning the form of a tune with chord tones played as long notes, it is a good idea to read through the lead sheet and sing the tune, out loud or in your head, to really embed the harmony in your mind. And try to really hear where in the backing track there is a change of section, usually signaled by the drummer playing a fill or changing from brushes to sticks and vice versa.

Some tunes have chord changes that are much harder to keep your place than others and I guess that this is one of those.

I find that when I play, my ears sort of close down because I'm concentrating on the playing side (ideas, technique, note choices, rhythm etc) and I am much less aware of the rhythm section. If you listen back to your recording while looking at the lead sheet, do you see where the change of sections are happening in the backing and spot where what you played differs from that ?

Rhys

 

[guidocreo]

I realized this is one of those songs that don't get into my head easily 🙁: I will continue to struggle with it all month.

Ciao and thanks for your hear.

 

[6441]

I realized this is one of those songs that don't get into my head easily 🙁: I will continue to struggle with it all month.

Ciao and thanks for your hear.

This tune has a very odd way of repeating the phrases after that first one. It is indeed hard, or at least was for me, to place them properly. But like one of the optical illusions where if you stare at it long enough, you see the dolphin, once you hear those three phrases in their place, you won't have any trouble with it... until the bridge which also has a funny phrase structure in the first part. You'll get it! Just like if you look at this image long enough, you will see a ____________. (Hint: NOT a dolphin)

 

[rhysonsax]

I see it, I see it !

Rhys

 

[Colin the Bear]

This is one of those tunes I can't hear. It sounds like a random parade of notes with no direction to my ear. I have to count every bar.

 

[6441]

This is one of those tunes I can't hear. It sounds like a random parade of notes with no direction to my ear. I have to count every bar.

But can you see the ______?

 

[guidocreo]

I insist and try with the waltz version

View: https://youtu.be/KQK_BGrmBg4


Ciao and keep you safe.

 

[rhysonsax]

Bravo @guidocreo that was very good. You kept to your place in the first half and your playing felt much more free when you just blew in the second half.

Full marks for persistence.

Rhys

 

[6441]

But like one of the optical illusions where if you stare at it long enough, you see the dolphin, once you hear those three phrases in their place, you won't have any trouble with it... until the bridge which also has a funny phrase structure in the first part. You'll get it! Just like if you look at this image long enough, you will see a ____________.

This is one of those tunes I can't hear.

But can you see the ______?

The optical illusion, an analogy with the melody you said you can't hear.
I agree it's very hard to hear the melody of this song with its three phrases that are nearly alike, the third one feeling like it should not be there. Then the funny long space in the bridge. It took me a long time to perceive this structure.

 

[nigeld]

Here's my attempt on my new YTS-62 tenor.

https://soundcloud.com/user-935648777%2Fit-never-entered-my-mind

 

[LostCircuits]

Nice, Guido!

 

[rhysonsax]

Here's my attempt on my new YTS-62 tenor.

https://soundcloud.com/user-935648777%2Fit-never-entered-my-mind

Really nice version with lovely tone and well-controlled improvised section.

The tenor is sounding really good, so I guess you have settled on the Grassi and aren't worrying about other suitors. But which mouthpiece ? Anyway, the tone was strong and tuning really good.

Who's next ?

Rhys

 

[6441]

Who's next ?

Erm... an unknown on a plastic tube:

https://soundcloud.com/randulo%2Fit-never-entered-my-mind-yds-150

View: https://soundcloud.com/randulo/it-never-entered-my-mind-yds-150

 

[guidocreo]

Erm... an unknown on a plastic tube:

https://soundcloud.com/randulo%2Fit-never-entered-my-mind-yds-150

View: https://soundcloud.com/randulo/it-never-entered-my-mind-yds-150

Bella Bella ! I like it a lot !

 

[rhysonsax]

Erm... an unknown on a plastic tube:

https://soundcloud.com/randulo%2Fit-never-entered-my-mind-yds-150

View: https://soundcloud.com/randulo/it-never-entered-my-mind-yds-150

That was excellent. The feel of the track was really good and the sound of the plastic tube suited it very well.

Not quite enough to make we want one of those Yamaha tubes but it's the best non-saxophone version yet !

Rhys

 

[6441]

That was excellent. The feel of the track was really good and the sound of the plastic tube suited it very well.

Not quite enough to make we want one of those Yamaha tubes but it's the best non-saxophone version yet !

Rhys

Thanks, man, I think it can make music after all. Here's the thing: the sax sounds are 90% awful. Think of the worst sax sound on a synth, I think these are worse. Roland used to have a sample player (U110???) that sounded like a real tenor if you could play the dynamics. I realize that in such a small piece of electronics, it's hard (=very expensive) to get better sounds. There are two sounds that, with really careful adjustment on a DAW or amp, sound almost realistic. The chromatic harmonica (which, if distorted and played right can also give you blues harp) and the flutes. Except all of them have the bloody auto vibrato which immediately makes it sound like a beginner. This forces you to avoid long notes or try to dilute the auto with a conflicting one.

 

[6441]

This is very interesting à-propos

It Never Entered My Mind, by The Miles Davis Quintet

In 1955 Bob Weinstock found himself in a tough spot. He was about to lose his most revered recording artist, trumpeter Miles Davis. Weinstock was head of Prestige Records, the label Miles signed to in 1951 and recorded most of his albums with in the early 50s. The early albums Miles released...

musicaficionado.blog

 

[buddy lee]

I just came over from SOTW and this is one of my favorite ballads of all time, I plan on participating soon!

 

[nigeld]

The tenor is sounding really good, so I guess you have settled on the Grassi and aren't worrying about other suitors. But which mouthpiece ?

That was recorded on a Yamaha YTS-62 (Mk I, post purple logo). I got it a couple of months ago and I'm really enjoying it.
It came with a Yanagisawa hard rubber mouthpiece (6 opening) that seems to suit it.

 

[rhysonsax]

This is very interesting à-propos

It Never Entered My Mind, by The Miles Davis Quintet

In 1955 Bob Weinstock found himself in a tough spot. He was about to lose his most revered recording artist, trumpeter Miles Davis. Weinstock was head of Prestige Records, the label Miles signed to in 1951 and recorded most of his albums with in the early 50s. The early albums Miles released...

musicaficionado.blog

It's a classic and the article is right about the importance of Red Garland's piano on this recording. I was looking for a Miles-style backing track for "It Never Entered .." and did find one that had something close for the piano but a horrible intrusive drum beat on it and absolutely no subtlety !

View: https://open.spotify.com/album/2jnov6RN052pVRD1Qsv5jP?highlight=spotify:track:1alGYHeT7p9eN4CsOnehb3


Can you do a Harmon-muted sound on your Yamaha ?

Rhys