Saxophones Any Kohlert players here ?

[JayeNM]

and a JKS (J. Kohlert & Sons) Soprano (keyed to high Eb)

 

[Damflask]

and a JKS (J. Kohlert & Sons) Soprano (keyed to high Eb)
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That is just lovely !

 

[JayeNM]

One more Baritone (my replacement guards)....

 

[JayeNM]

That is just lovely !

It was a great horn, its intonation was really good and it sounded so sweet.....if it had been keyed up to F I would have kept her myself....

 

[thomsax]

The Kohlert Winndenden from the early 50's with bell on left side and solderd on tonholes are interesting. There are som very interesting info on Bassic.Sax Info (Helen) German and Czech Makes & Models / Kohlert / Winnenden |

Kohlert, Hohner and Keilwerth made saxes with solded on toneholes à la Martin. Some with bevelded toneholes rims and some more in the style of Martin Comm. The two last American manufactors (King and Martin) were maybe not 100% American product?

Pict of a Kohlert tonehole. From Bassic-Sax Info.

 

[Adrian63]

Thanks George : nice shots..
Yeah it's a fine old horn : not worth much but neither is the tt; or the XX Cent . The Arta Guban i dont know but its just had a few tweaks ( £75 ) and is awaiting pick up.
Im in absolutely no hurry but will be sourcing another tenor..
It's all about finding somebody / somewhere to take them all at once either for cash or better as part payment for trade .
I'm constantly narrowing down the choices : right now it's a King S20 or a Superba 1..As to new horns : Mauriat 66 or Cannonball ( undecided model )..
I'm dubious about selling individually : I may sell the best two and be left with secondary choices...we'll see .

 

[Adrian63]

Listed above are the preffered choices though I am always open to suggestions ;
Cheers..
@JayeNM : Hi man : could you put an age on my tenor ?

 

[thomsax]

I'm constantly narrowing down the choices : right now it's a King S20 or a Superba 1..As to new horns : Mauriat 66 or Cannonball ( undecided model )..

I just want to say; I know a guy who is selling a nice Keilwerth "New King" silver tenor c 1951. With bell keys on left side so I guess it's one with soldered toneholes. A good player and in good shape. I remember right the price was/is 7500 kr (c £609.00). It's 14 days ago I talked to him, so maybe it's gone.

 

[thomsax]

I have owned a Pennsylvania Special for years. I always believed it to be a Keilworth stencil

It’s silverplate, with rolled tone holes.

It doesn’t play perfectly, but pretty good. Every so often I get it out and always think. “ this is great”
Reminds me of a conn 6m in feel and sound.

I forgot to say. Mines says “Made in Czechoslovakia", on it

My Pennsylvania is nickeplated, It's a bari my father gave to be before he passed away. So been resting in the case for many years. My father gave up bari in the early 60's. I think even Keilwerth (CZ) made saxes engraved with "Pennsylvania".

 

[thomsax]

OK..I've taken some very quick shots : it's been done on a pad so they're of poor quality but yeah...any interest in serial nos : details : logo etc I can do more hopefully of slightly better quality .
Let's see if I can get them up ?

Old Kohlets have very big and flat keycups. I think they are made by hand and not machines like most other saxes. On my soprano I kcan also see the hammer blows that on the tonehole chimny. No machine.

 

[Adrian63]

Thanks very much guys ; I really appreciate your efforts.
I know cosmetics are secondary but those key guards are second to none..beautiful . I'm going to load up some shots of my other tenors on a fresh post this one being Kohlert . Please follow if you care to..your input is very much valued..

 

[scotsman]

Have a look at this from Mat Stohrer..My sax actually....

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8up9ErgvFk

 

[kevgermany]

I have owned a Pennsylvania Special for years. I always believed it to be a Keilworth stencil

It’s silverplate, with rolled tone holes.

It doesn’t play perfectly, but pretty good. Every so often I get it out and always think. “ this is great”
Reminds me of a conn 6m in feel and sound.

I forgot to say. Mines says “Made in Czechoslovakia", on it

Check the serial number. Keilwerth will be 4 or 5 digits. Kohlert 6.

 

[kevgermany]

According to this. A Dearman is a Kohlert too. (last sentence)

New Super Dearman alto saxophone review

A workbench review of the New Super Dearman alto sax

www.shwoodwind.co.uk

Not with a 4 digit serial number.

 

[Adrian63]

So : if I'm right..marked made in CZ , plus and or 4 / 5 digits..it's Keilwerth made ?
I'll check later..

 

[Damflask]

Not with a 4 digit serial number.

That’s good know!

 

[kevgermany]

So : if I'm right..marked made in CZ , plus and or 4 / 5 digits..it's Keilwerth made ?
I'll check later..

There's another cz maker with low serial numbers. F X Huller. This for pre WWII. After it the makers were nationalised and became Amati working from the old Kohlert factory. So post war nothing really clear. They used the Keilwerth name for a few years, until forced to stop.

 

[Adrian63]

So mine is a CZ made Kohlert..marked CZ / 6 digit s no.

 

[JayeNM]

It's all about finding somebody / somewhere to take them all at once either for cash or better as part payment for trade

The thing there is.....you will maximize your money if you sell them separately to individual buyers and not as a lot to a single buyer.

I know that is less convenient, but it would probably put more cash in your pocket.....

And buy-trades are also more for convenience....the seller of the desired horn is gonna make out better than the buy-trader in most instances...so again, it's weighing convenience vs. how much money you can get.

If you are OK with NOT getting the true market value for all 4, in exchange for the cleanliness of just being able to unload 'em at once....then buy-trade or multiples sale is a valid option.

 

[kevgermany]

Kohlert 55, Boosey Edgware (Regent/Bix stencil) probably 60's....

Post war Kohlerts with a number in the inscription were made that year. So this is from '55.