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<blockquote data-quote="JayeNM" data-source="post: 425882" data-attributes="member: 4504"><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">Good man...it's funny that for some reason the Jupes (an established, good-selling, successful brand) seem to be more the bone of contention here, considering it'd be the 7M which I'd expect to jump out at most sax folks in-the-know....</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">7M's began their internet rep badly, with a single somewhat active Forum poster (also a talented engraver) claiming 'pieces started spontaneously falling off' when he would play it'... This bit was literally the only comment from an actual owner which would turn up in a websearch on the model, 12 or so years ago....and as things can get amplified to absurd proportions on the www ........it acquired 'the mark'.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">So, they weren't exactly expensive to acquire...nor were they even visually familiar to anyone (back in 2008 I dubbed it 'the unicorn alto') so it's not like most would know what to look for...so I managed acquired some when they'd pop up (maybe 2-3x/year on eFlay), </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">Then studied up a bit on 'em (which wasn't easy since there were no real reviews). These seem to have been intended to replace the 6M, and Conn offered the two models concurrently for the first couple of years starting in 1970, then the 6M vanished. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">Upon pulling a few apart, I noted they had the 6M body tube, neck tube (minus the underslung double socket) with a new bow and RH bellkeys, plus the 'modern' style keywork. Fair to call it a 'modernized 6M' ? They were a good concept, if a failed product from a selling point of view. Serial #'s indicate they were made maybe for around 6 years.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">Now, when I suggest any used model....I am always suggesting with the assumption that the used model has been serviced and is in good playing shape (because as you and I know, folks shouldn't go buying a used horn if the seller doesn't guarantee it's in good tack).</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">So for me (and your question is fair), the assumption is the horn has been serviced and any conditions whether due to normal wear or factory inconsistency has been taken care of (which in the case of Mexiconns usually involved key play and perhaps some key arms which required tweaking/bending/re-orienting most commonly).</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">So, when a 7M is put in good tack by a tech, just like any Mexiconn, it holds up quite well. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">I sell a lot of Mexiconns, probably have sold 60 in the past 3 or 4 years...never had an owner come back and complain. On the 'other' forum occasionally former clients post about their Mexiconns. years after they bought 'em, noting that they are still doing quite fine. So my assumption is, once put into correct tack, they don't start failing, and remain quite reliable.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">So, if one asked me...23 vs. 7M, both in good tack...which would I choose ? </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">7M...it sounds way nicer, has better blowing response, feels more substantial. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(41, 105, 176)">Thus it makes my list (it'd likely be the hardest one to find on that list, too).</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JayeNM, post: 425882, member: 4504"] [COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)]Good man...it's funny that for some reason the Jupes (an established, good-selling, successful brand) seem to be more the bone of contention here, considering it'd be the 7M which I'd expect to jump out at most sax folks in-the-know.... 7M's began their internet rep badly, with a single somewhat active Forum poster (also a talented engraver) claiming 'pieces started spontaneously falling off' when he would play it'... This bit was literally the only comment from an actual owner which would turn up in a websearch on the model, 12 or so years ago....and as things can get amplified to absurd proportions on the www ........it acquired 'the mark'. So, they weren't exactly expensive to acquire...nor were they even visually familiar to anyone (back in 2008 I dubbed it 'the unicorn alto') so it's not like most would know what to look for...so I managed acquired some when they'd pop up (maybe 2-3x/year on eFlay), Then studied up a bit on 'em (which wasn't easy since there were no real reviews). These seem to have been intended to replace the 6M, and Conn offered the two models concurrently for the first couple of years starting in 1970, then the 6M vanished. Upon pulling a few apart, I noted they had the 6M body tube, neck tube (minus the underslung double socket) with a new bow and RH bellkeys, plus the 'modern' style keywork. Fair to call it a 'modernized 6M' ? They were a good concept, if a failed product from a selling point of view. Serial #'s indicate they were made maybe for around 6 years. Now, when I suggest any used model....I am always suggesting with the assumption that the used model has been serviced and is in good playing shape (because as you and I know, folks shouldn't go buying a used horn if the seller doesn't guarantee it's in good tack). So for me (and your question is fair), the assumption is the horn has been serviced and any conditions whether due to normal wear or factory inconsistency has been taken care of (which in the case of Mexiconns usually involved key play and perhaps some key arms which required tweaking/bending/re-orienting most commonly). So, when a 7M is put in good tack by a tech, just like any Mexiconn, it holds up quite well. I sell a lot of Mexiconns, probably have sold 60 in the past 3 or 4 years...never had an owner come back and complain. On the 'other' forum occasionally former clients post about their Mexiconns. years after they bought 'em, noting that they are still doing quite fine. So my assumption is, once put into correct tack, they don't start failing, and remain quite reliable. So, if one asked me...23 vs. 7M, both in good tack...which would I choose ? 7M...it sounds way nicer, has better blowing response, feels more substantial. Thus it makes my list (it'd likely be the hardest one to find on that list, too).[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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