Saxophones In the past, when i search curved sopranino desperately, i was scammed

[JayeNM]

I’m not getting into who should have asked what questions. Just wanted to point out that, beyond just “likely”, eBay will back you, without any doubt. Their policy is that the information in the listing must be accurate, every word of it. If it says Eb Soprano, it has to be that, regardless of what any photos show.

Blind people are allowed to buy instruments too. Beginners who don’t know what they’re buying (or non-beginners like myself who wouldn’t notice how many bell keys it should have 🙄) or people looking for a gift they don’t know too much about— you don’t have to pass some test of being a knowledgeable buyer in order to deserve a refund if something in a description is inaccurate. The onus is on the seller to get it right. If they don’t, then they risk… getting their item back to list again and being out of a few bucks in shipping fees. Not the end of the world- cost of doing business.

Yes, the reality is eFlay always sides heavily with buyer, so quite honestly even IF the seller really does due diligence in description...on something like a musical instrument it is sorta impossible to cover all bases. So again, that policy leans heavily towards buyer.

In this instance, yeah....it was just a flat-out lack of knowledge and incorrect representation. But buyer, who I believe buys a lot of project horns and has them worked up, maybe should have known better and asked some more questions which would have avoided this current result.

Only thing which would make it sorta...not tricky...but...more complicated ...would be if the seller was US and buyer was Europe. Just from the standpoint of the buyer having to eat customs and VAT. But it would not stop eFlay from forcing the refund. Also the ship cost there would have been significant so the "ouch" isn't quite as negligible as a domestic shipment would have been. But again, in this instance, poor description/incorrect semantics.

 

[JayeNM]

In terms of known saxophone producing countries, there are worse than Czechoslovakia. But maybe the engraving or stamping quality itself points to some kind of misrepresentation of the facts.

That is what I was getting at. The "Made in..." doesn't look like any factory engraving I have ever seen.....

(it also doesn't look anywhere near 'fresh'....so it was probably done quite a while ago....)

 

[jcn664]

That’s not something to joke about. If someone made honest mistakes presenting goods and you the buyer don’t know the difference. Well, that’s not being scammed. That’s a bad transaction on both sides.
If the seller intentionally posted bad, incorrect misleading information and you bought it. You got scammed. Some sales sites have return policies to protect buyers from this.

not i used scam for one joke, not against the seller, but for the comic situation between the seller and me, not worry, i find this situation very comic,

i thank it was curved sopranino because it writed soprano in eb, i received soprano without eb, but i have no regret, totally no regret, it's cute horns, and it will be have new second life and that's cool, and i have horn that we don't see everyday and that is cool, it would be cool little horn, not great horn, but probably sympathic horn. i will see.

 

[jcn664]

Well, as @Zasterz said....you CAN return the sax , probably...BUT.....I am assuming the eBay listing had photographs, yes ?

So did you not see in the photos that there was only one bell key ?

Or did you see that.... but still believed it was a Sopranino ?

Because if I understand you correctly, the seller noted "Eb Soprano" ....and you thought it to be an Eb Sopranino, since there is no such thing as an Eb Soprano.

But seller never claimed it to be a Sopranino...so....that gets cloudy there.

It IS a Soprano keyed to high Eb. That is not an "Eb Soprano" as we all know. So, you could make this argument...but again, I cannot say that you are not partially at fault here, a little.

Also....since you have an Orsi Sopranino, why were you 'desperately' seeking another ??? Or you no longer have the Orsi ?

You can approach this two ways - you can force a return, eBay would likely back you on this if the seller was uncooperative...or ....

....you can admit that you did not really ask enough questions to confirm whether it was a Soprano or Sopranino (so, as @PigSquealer says "a bad transaction on both sides") so you do accept part of blame.....and keep it, maybe fix and re-sell for perhaps $200 (?) Assuming it is low-pitch.

The engraving of origin country ...is a bit ...well......

i will not sale, i will keep, il like it, i think yes it's sopranino curved, yes i will be return, but i wanted to keep, i did one error, i assumed my error and i was curious and i'm curous today to know how it wound and probably why not using this for jam with risk, it's little curvy not expensive

(yes i paid so much, no need to remind me ahahah XD.
okay but not really great values and it would be cool to used that for jam with penty people and high probably accident and that don't used saxello, perfect curved or other old and rare curved soprano)

for that i keep this horns.

and for rosi, yes i have yet one curved orsi, but i find one orsi by italian friend later that i bought this horns,

i bought this horns last years, but it's funny memories, i don't regret, i say scam everyday in I say "scam" more in a tone of irony or friendliness and humor, but it's true that in writing it's rather difficult to understand in this case.

same thing, i paid 550€ one c soprano boosey and hawkes, i played, i liked the sound, i paid at Paris, i return in my home at Caen and discover the terrible reality the two horrible letter H.P, okay the instrument is condamned to be unusable instrument, but i played some time because it had good sound, it's very sad it didn't play with anything in HP.

i keep this horn, and it is already in my collection, i'm happy, it comes into my family instruments, don't regret,

never regret, just smile,

Take these mistakes in stride, but be aware of the error so you can learn, correct yourself, and not repeat it.

On the other hand, if one day I stumble across a conn ô sax but in high-pitched in my collection, I'll jump out the window. I'm on the ground floor, but even so, life won't let me leave (I'm obviously joking) ahahah lol XD more seriouly, my dream to have one conn o sax and g mezzo.