Help with Chord Symbols: D- and D-Δ

[luke_br]

I know that D- is just another way of writing Dm and that Δ refers to a major chord. But what the heck is D-Δ, when you follow the - with the Δ in the same chord symbol? Could you spell out the chord tones? D, F, A....????

This Chord is the second one played in Duke Ellington's "In a Sentimental Mood."

 

[mfox]

I'm not 100% sure but i would interpret it to mean Dm with a major 7 instead of a minor 7(flattened)..
i have oodles of music that have very strange things on them.. what tends to happen is someone makes a typo and its past5 on and on..

if i'm wrong i'm sure pete will put you right..

all the best .. oh and welcome to the BR

by the way i'm from Manchester, do you know what part your ancestors came from.. its a big big city..

 

[Pete Thomas]

The triangle normally means major 7 (D F# A C#)

With a minor chord D-Δ it's minor with a major 7, ie D F A C#

 

[luke_br]

Gee Whizzz! Thanks Guys. Quick response, very helpful. I can see this forum will become a valued resource.

In my introduction I provided background on myself and interests. I'd appreciate it if you'd have a look at the question I raised in my intro to the group about preferred chord books.

 

[Bobby G]

How would you write that D minor with a major 7 (D F A C#) without the symbols? D minor seventh is simple enough i.e. Dm7, D major seventh is ok too i.e. Dmaj 7, but that other one....?

 

[mfox]

Dm (maj7)

 

[mrpc]

It's a nice chord...
did you know that it's often used in this progression?:

Dm, Dm(maj7),Dm7,(Dm6) (like in 'my funny valentine' or 'my way' )

this progression is called the 'minor cliche'... 😉

 

[Simon]

... and could be an example of CESH (Contrapunctual Elaboration of a Static Harmony). Like the piano montunos you get in Latin music with the descending bass line.

The stuff you get from books eh?....
Simon

mrPC wrote:
It's a nice chord...
did you know that it's often used in this progression?:

Dm, Dm(maj7),Dm7,(Dm6) (like in 'my funny valentine' or 'my way' )

this progression is called the 'minor cliche'... 😉

 

[Pete Thomas]

simon wrote:
... and could be an example of CESH (Contrapunctual Elaboration of a Static Harmony). Like the piano montunos you get in Latin music with the descending bass line.

The stuff you get from books eh?....
Simon

mrPC wrote:
It's a nice chord...
did you know that it's often used in this progression?:

Dm, Dm(maj7),Dm7,(Dm6) (like in 'my funny valentine' or 'my way' )

this progression is called the 'minor cliche'... 😉

More often than not the last chord in this case is actually G9 rather than Dm6, ie the bass would move from D to G - possibly on the Dm7, so the sequence is

Dm Dm ?7 | Dm7/G G9

(the Dm7/G is actually a G11)

 

[sam_moreton]

i used to do that in bands until i learned about chromatic voice leading, then it all made sense

 

[spike]

sorry to vere off - "chromatic voice leading" care to expand, give some tips, links or whatever . . . can't find any references.
I think I know what it sounds like - is it when the bass runs down a half step at a time to the fourth or fifth from the root?
gruss - spike

 

[sam_moreton]

its basically voicing a chord progression so that a note in each chord moves chromatically.

a good example is this V I progression:

--V------- VΔ7------- V7--------I
C / / / | CΔ7 / / / | C7 / / / | FΔ7

--C -------B---------Bb^

notice you have a decending chromatic run (noted underneath) just by using a V I progression over 4 bars.

Im not sure for certain but i think this type of progression is called a delayed perfect cadence... i could be wrong

 

[spike]

Thanks Sam, . . .
"I'll get this into my tutti frutti solo if it kills me"
spike mooches off and messes about on keyboard muttering.
gruss - spike