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Message: <blockquote data-quote="eb424" data-source="post: 486151" data-attributes="member: 6243">Hi [USER=8392]@lydian[/USER] please refer to my reply to [USER=1008]@jazzdoh[/USER] for a bit of background on how I currently play..also a genuine thanks for all the support...in reply to [USER=7945]@mizmar[/USER] s post"Teacher: Hi Eddie. So, now, what syllabus have you been followingeb424: well, there's <a href="https://cafesaxophone.com/threads/key-transposition-from-eb-instrument-to-bb-instrument.32724/" target="_blank">this</a> thread, and <a href="https://cafesaxophone.com/threads/transposing.32702/" target="_blank">that</a> thread and some others. A bit confusing..."I have never been asked what syllabus I am following...A good teacher would assess your skillset, ask what your goals are and formulate a way of getting you there....as far as I can see there is only one "syllabus" for music and one method of assessment that is the "Grades" not suitable for everyone so everyone me included......I would also like to say that I try to use the threads to get over specific issues I have with the theory side it's not a syllabus..E.G.. my thread Jambalay initially asked if anyone knew what key Jambalay by the carpenters was in....it was G major....but the thread brought up a lot of other issues some good and relevant and some not so much like which is the best version and playing by ear...which is all part of my plan....This thread was started because I misunderstood a quote regarding transposition from an Eb to a Bb instrument which was irrelevant and I took the quote out of context and here we are talking Chords and the circle of fiths which technically should be another post... <img src="data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%22%20viewBox%3D%220%200%2064%2064%22%3E%3Ctext%20x%3D%2250%25%22%20y%3D%2250%25%22%20text-anchor%3D%22middle%22%20dominant-baseline%3D%22central%22%20font-size%3D%2254%22%3E%F0%9F%99%82%3C%2Ftext%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="22" height="22" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />   I would like to say that when I answer questions on here I try to do it from my knowledge rather than look up answers on the internet, this can sometimes make me look a bit thicker than I really am...i refer to @Colin the Bears post on the circle of fifths regarding the Key Signature F again it's context and I think I had said I started with C for cool as there were no # or flats in the scale...I am starting to understand the value of discourse.....in answer to your questions"When you play a given scale, how do you know what sharps or flats are in it? Do you look it up in a table somewhere, or do you already have some system to remember? Or do you always just read the scale from the page that already has the correct key signature? If you saw a particular key signature, say 4 flats for example, would you know what key that was, and if so, how?"All of my songs to date have been on the # side of the circle...I need to study this more in depth but came up with the acronym above re Gorrillas starting at C which I now has no #or Bs...it was noted by Mr Bear that I had it slightly wrong as said I try to do it from memory...I work from C through to F# or Gb Cool Gorillas Do Aerobics Evenings (do prefer and will use Energetically as suggested) Bare (for) Fun so I know C has no #s or Bs G 1 D2 A3 etc...need a format for working out what #s and Bs but will study the circle it is important for me...As said all of my songs have been on the #side so I have looked through my music for a b number...I play when I'm 64 and have been playing in the wrong key...originally it was C# or Db I would normally transpose from C# but will go from Db to Eb to bring in the other side of the circle..I appreciate what you told me to remember regarding this above but was trying to answer your question on how if you asked me re sharps it would have been easier to answer...."You're right that there are many ways to learn, but the information that ends up in your brain is the same no matter which path you took. I'm just wondering how you manage scales and keys right now using whatever learning method worked for you."I manage in context to the piece of music I want to learn....I am going to say this I know I shouldn't and am sitting here arguing with myself (internally thankfully  <img src="data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%22%20viewBox%3D%220%200%2064%2064%22%3E%3Ctext%20x%3D%2250%25%22%20y%3D%2250%25%22%20text-anchor%3D%22middle%22%20dominant-baseline%3D%22central%22%20font-size%3D%2254%22%3E%F0%9F%99%82%3C%2Ftext%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="22" height="22" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> )....I don't see the point of learning and practicing scales independently...there i've said it... This doesn't mean I don't see the value of scales I just prefer learning in context...My warm up routine is playing the snippets in the orange book and the accompanying scale (8 or so with arpeggio)... then playing my songs and the accompanying scales...again I shouldn't say it (internal blah blah blah) but I use the songs as long notes and don't practice these independently....Bobby Mc Gee and 2 outta 3 ain't bad really push my lung capacity...."When I was a kid, I first learned all my scales by ear. If the new scale I was learning sounded like the other scale I already knew, then I had it right. I had no idea about keys or flats and sharps. That worked fine until I started reading music in different keys. At that point I had to learn how to tell what key signatures meant and which notes were supposed to be flat or sharp. Without some sort of system, i.e., the circle of 5ths, it would have been extremely difficult for me to memorize that amount of information. I'm just curious how you do it and what learning method has worked best for you".I really wish I had learnt as a kid I probably would have followed the traditional format....I cant read dots quickly enough yet to play the music I want to play....I will persevere not because I want to or see a need but I want to play with others...Every teacher I have ever had has said don't mark the score with the notes but I have to at the moment...Hopefully with practice I may be able to but I don't see a need..The pro player I blowout with sometimes uses the same method as me and it works but again he gigs and plays alone and has enough experience to play by ear... which is one of my goals and will come with time...I am learning what is important to me and the circle, key sigs, scales, intervals are cropping up all the time so need to be learnt...The acronym above has helped on the # side of the circle I still have the b side to learn and hopefully when I'm 64 will help..this is what I end up with ( see below)... so I no the key and notes in the scale this will be used to learn improv and technique in the instrumental bits (next part of the plan)..Great advice on the last point.....I will take note....</blockquote>

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