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<blockquote data-quote="John Laughter" data-source="post: 324743" data-attributes="member: 228">Yes, it will come with more practice. I can remember the time when I started to learn the growl and flutter back in the 50&#039;s. Many of the sax players were using the effects on Top 40 songs so it was something that some of us wanted to learn if we were in combos and liked the new music.Both took time. Especially the flutter because the jaw would drop and I lost too much air. At that time I did not realize that using just the neck and m/p to begin with would help.The growl also took time. It was hard to hum (technique I learned) a note other than the pitch I was playing which would cancel the effect. Actually the most difficult one for me in those years was the subtone which was needed for the slow songs. My first band director (7th grade) did not appreciate the growl and flutter so no help there. His background was classical and he played trumpet. My second band director played sax and had played a lot of big band music and knew all the effects and was very helpful.At any rate, keep at it and you will be playing them in time without thinking about it. We all have to find what works best for us to get these sounds.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="John Laughter, post: 324743, member: 228"] Yes, it will come with more practice. I can remember the time when I started to learn the growl and flutter back in the 50's. Many of the sax players were using the effects on Top 40 songs so it was something that some of us wanted to learn if we were in combos and liked the new music. Both took time. Especially the flutter because the jaw would drop and I lost too much air. At that time I did not realize that using just the neck and m/p to begin with would help. The growl also took time. It was hard to hum (technique I learned) a note other than the pitch I was playing which would cancel the effect. Actually the most difficult one for me in those years was the subtone which was needed for the slow songs. My first band director (7th grade) did not appreciate the growl and flutter so no help there. His background was classical and he played trumpet. My second band director played sax and had played a lot of big band music and knew all the effects and was very helpful. At any rate, keep at it and you will be playing them in time without thinking about it. We all have to find what works best for us to get these sounds. [/QUOTE]

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