Saxophones Yani Necks

[jake]

Hi Andy
I'm new here and interested to see you use a 92 bronze neck on your T901. I have the T901's predecessor, just marked with a Greek "u", and wondered about the effect of the change in neck or crook.
Thanks

I'm off to sax.co.uk on Saturday - was hoping to check out this horn! Damn! Good for you Paul what a beautiful sax. I'm also thinking of changing my T901 to something else, all "might" be revealed on Saturday LOL 🙂

 

[Two Voices]

Hi Jake,

I use a Yani 92 Neck on my A901 and a 192 neck on my T901. The 901 series can be lacking a little and by putting a bronze neck such as the 92 and/or 192 makes it a little warmer and packs a bit more punch in the tone.

Depending on the sound you are after you have a choice of necks you can put on you sax. For example you can put a 95 Neck which is Silver and that really opens the sound as there is less resistant due to the air flowing through silver better. But it is brighier to my ears!

The Warburton range of necks is something worth taking a look at! Not cheap thought!

 

[Nick Wyver]

that really opens the sound as there is less resistant due to the air flowing through silver better.

You are kidding aren't you?

 

[Two Voices]

You are kidding aren't you?

No. I find that a Silver Neck offers less resistent and increases sound projection comprepared to my Bronze Necks.

What are your thoughts then?

 

[Nick Wyver]

That the material makes no difference to the sound.

 

[Two Voices]

That the material makes no difference to the sound.

It doesn't, maybe I just don't know how to make myself clear. I find a Silver Neck offers less resistant when blown. Because of that it is more punchy and focused, say compared to the original T901 Neck. It makes my T901 louder but brightier!

Having said that I'm not convinced like others that material has no bearings.

 

[Nick Wyver]

Having said that I'm not convinced like others that material has no bearings.

Why? How would you think the material could affect the sound?

BTW I'm not disputing that necks sound different. I just don't think the material plays a part in this.

 

[kevgermany]

Maybe the dimensions are different?

 

[TomMapfumo]

I think that Nick's neck makes a difference to the sound he produces, and he has a brass neck..............................! ;}

 

[TomMapfumo]

Hi Andy
I'm new here and interested to see you use a 92 bronze neck on your T901. I have the T901's predecessor, just marked with a Greek "u", and wondered about the effect of the change in neck or crook.
Thanks

Hi Jake, and welcome to the Cafe!

I also have a Yani 192 bronze neck and it does make the sort of difference that Paul highlights. I can't remember any rough percentages, but the mouthpiece has the biggest influence on the sound, followed by a neck, then the reed, then the ligature.
It depends what sound you're after as there are other Yani necks available which can brighten the sound etc. Do let us know what sound you are after and folks my be able to offer different perspectives on how to achieve thatwithout spending a fortune.

Kind regards
Tom

 

[Two Voices]

Why? How would you think the material could affect the sound?

BTW I'm not disputing that necks sound different. I just don't think the material plays a part in this.

I've not been able to compare two identical set-ups i.e. if we could test play two mouthpieces that are identical in every way apart from the material then we could be more certain whether the material has an effect.

Ebonite mouthpieces are made differently to metal mouthpieces, which makes me wonder? Why?

 

[Two Voices]

Maybe the dimensions are different?

Not really! I do simply think in this case the air travels more freely over Silver, which in turn ...

 

[Two Voices]

I think that Nick's neck makes a difference to the sound he produces, and he has a brass neck..............................! ;}

🙂)) 🙂)) 🙂))

 

[Two Voices]

... spending a fortune ...

Has anyone managed that yet 🙂))

 

[Nick Wyver]

I think that Nick's neck makes a difference to the sound he produces, and he has a brass neck..............................! ;}

Nah. Teflon coated platinum.

 

[TomMapfumo]

So we are back to saxophones again...............................

 

[Two Voices]

There’s lots of little things that get me thinking about whether material has an effect on sound.

Such as the subtle differences between a Brass and Bronze Saxes. I find that a Bronze Sax has more warmth and subtlety whereas Brass gives a more unrelenting power and projection. I’m thinking of the T992 and the T991 when I say that. Why is that? What is the different between those Saxes apart from material?

Mouthpiece design is totally different between Ebonite and various Metal Mouthpieces. Why not have the same designs, if material makes no difference?

I actually think that the material does have an effect on the colour of the sound, but not its volume!

Okey dokey running for cover before I get shot down in flames!

 

[Fraser Jarvis]

That the material makes no difference to the sound.

Well....i once tried out a Cannonball tenor, a Mad Meg i think it was called, bare brass and with two necks, a matching bare brass one and an optional silver one, and i can tell you the silver one produced a much louder and a much brighter sound, point is why would Cannonball include two necks if they dident alter the sound?
Also the silver neck was a slightly less resistant blow, probably due to the sonic frequency or whatever it's called of silver rather than the passage of air through it....

 

[Nick Wyver]

Good grief!

At which point I gracefully retire.

 

[johnboy]

To get to the bottom of the discussion? of one materials performance compared to another, you would have to perform a "Vibration Analysis" test. You would attach accelerometers to the instruments and measure the difference in the frequencies produced.

John. (International Research & Development, Mechanalysis Engineer (Advanced)) ;}