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Other Yamaha YDS-150 Digital Instrument in a Sax-like Body

There have been plenty of demos and discussions about this, and much of the discussion has been negative.

I do not consider this a saxophone at all, any more than my midi keyboard is a piano.

Keep reading through, there are many comments and updated information. Nearly four months have passed since I got the YDS-150 and much has been learned. There are now 25 audio tracks of several music styles, and 13 YouTube videos after several days with the YDS-150.

(Original post): I have had about two hours total to play around with this, and I intend to do several other tests, but this is an initial first look.

The instrument has its weak points, amply discussed elsewhere (sounds aren't particularly good, it doesn't do MIDI, it doesn't have a lip sensor, etc.), but I will try to discover the less obvious things and hands-on feature evaluations. It's obviously a solution to practice when your living conditions don't allow you to play your saxophones. I think practicing with this is useful, but others may not. What you are able to practice is fingering and coordination between breath and hands.

The YDS-150 Digital Instrument


[EDIT: it does MIDI via USB and it works very well, especially via USB]

It comes with a soft case, an extra 'reed' and a set of three 'O' rings for the neck that holds the mouthpiece.

For all the technical information, you can get the owner's manual PDF in several languages from Yamaha. I will try to answer any questions anyone has.

There's a tube in the bell that releases the condensed moisture, see the little round thing in the photo. I mention this because certain trumpet or soprano stands, like the Hercules have a knob at the top that will interfere with the tube. I bought the K&M "Legs in Bell" trumpet stand which is a good fit. The tube is flexible and will move a little to accomodate the stand.

TDS-150 moisture outlet tube

The feel of the instrument

It's nice and light, but feels very sturdy in build quality. In the hands, it's very close to the feel of a saxophone. I find it feels very nice. I also think that it should have been in a bright color, but I can think of many reasons they wouldn't do that. The mouthpiece seems to identical to a Yamaha 4C alto piece. Pulling the mouthpiece off reveals no cork, but three O rings holding it on. There's a reed and ligature. The manual tells us not to use any other mouthpiece, so naturally, we tried, and it plays fine with my Syos 3D printed piece. I mention this because maybe some players would prefer to use a mouthpiece they are used to. It makes no difference to the sound, because the reed isn't vibrating or controlling the sound. In fact, it played the same with a one centimeter gap between the tip and the mouthpiece tip! Disconcerting, but nothing matters but wind.


Pairing needs to be fixed.


Setting up with the app

I had and still have trouble pairing the bluetooth connection in order to make changes to voice settings. I don't know if it's normal, but the app re-pairs with the instrument every time you try to connect. There is a check box asking if you want the YDS-150 to have access to your contacts and call history. I can only think that this is something to do with standard Android apps, because it would be insane to check that box!











Sound (voice) parameters YDS-150
You can save sets of voices and fingerings

Because the YDS-150 has space for user-configured sounds, it also has a way to save them under a name, so it's possible to have several sets of user sounds. Unfortunately, this would only be of interest if they update the firmware some day with better or different sounds or effects.

The interface to set these voices (user sounds) is pretty buggy and glitchy. Buggy in that the transpose thing doesn't always update the number of half steps of transposition. Glitchy, because it's easy accidentally hit the extreme end throwing you to the highest or lowest note. This needs to improve. The sliders should be replaced by someother mechanism.

I'm guessing the app itself will be updated for that, and hopefully soon. This is how beta products usually evolve. Picture the size of a phone and your finger on the transpose gadget in the voices settings in the screen shot below.






The Sounds

Well, here we are. Only a few are usable as is, and unhappily, they do NOT include a saxophone! That's right, there are a couple of flutes and harmonica sounds that I actually like. The rest are far inferior to a Yamaha sound module like the VL7m, but then, that's a box you have to drag around with a power supply, an amp and a proprietary cable. The YDS-150 is, if nothing else, very portable!

Playing with the speaker and Recording with a microphone

The effects don't appear to be on when using the speaker. I recorded two short segments for demonstration. They are probably as good (or bad) as any first-day tests. I added reverb and distortion to get sounds I "like". But they're not really saxophone sounds, are they? Also, note that when recording with a microphone, there may be key click sounds because the TDS-150 speaker output level is much softer than a saxophone, even at low ballad levels.

https://soundcloud.com/randulo%2Fsets%2Fyds-150-files-by-randulo View: https://soundcloud.com/randulo/sets/yds-150-files-by-randulo/s-H2B8GuhKKA4


Practicing with the speaker is handy. You don't need headphones, but you don't disturb the other people around even playing through the built-in speaker, because it's not loud at full volume, and you can adjust it even lower. I believe practicing with the instrument is helpful, but many will probably not find it so. I tried playing with headphones, and that sounds better, as you have the effects. Unfortunately, like the sounds, the effects are not great. And one really bad thing is that vibrato automatically comes in on longer notes on most of the patches. There are only a few that do not do this, and they're all saxophone patches. This is a terrible idea, there should be a switch to turn that off! I understand that it would be more fun for beginners, though.

The Keys

The keys feel great. Surprise, there's a low A 'key'. Also surprise, you get low A by using the bottom part of the octave key. The WX5 has octaves both up and down, but the YDS-150 is up or low A. The YDS-150 plays an A when you finger it that 'key' with a low Bb. Another bad decision in my opinion, although I do like having a low A. The octave key takes a lot of getting used to, which is why first day trials won't be briliant, but I know you can get used to it.

Analogue controller
The Analog Controller

This is how you can bend notes, but that effect is definitely in synthesizer land, not a scoop. It's at 1 half step by default, but you can go full synthetic and set it to more distance. This is going to take a lot of practice, as it is next to the thumb rest. I found it harder than the WX-5, but it is certainly doable after some practice. I'd like to see Yamaha add a 1/4 tone and maybe even an 1/8 tone option to this parameter. That would make falls and scoops more realistic.













Odds and ends

I don't know how long the batteries last, but you can adjust the time before the instrument goes into standby mode. This is important, because if you go to answer the door or turn off the kettle, you might forget the instrument is on. There are several other things
I want to test and will add to this review:

  • Use with a wireless transmitter/receiver pair.
  • Use with effects pedals
  • Getting familiar with using the keys for configuration. I only was able to turn on bluetooth with difficulty! There are other configuration parameters like breath strength-related settings, tuning, etc.
  • Using the app in all possible ways
 
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randulo

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1. That vibrato always sounds like crap and ruins whatever you do with long notes.
2. True I think you can get to the point where bends will sound natural.
3. None of these instruments will ever sound even close to what we get on a sax, but:

Will your average audience member like it? That's really the only that matters. If this sound pleases them, it's probably worth playing.

I suggest that regardless of the sound you play on digital instruments, it has to be kept SHORT. I personally got really tired of this sound after less than a minute. If I listen to 1:13 to about 2:10 it would make a decent solo section. Even then, I rather hear a minute of this:
View: https://youtu.be/taZ7e7dOTP8?t=164
 

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Hello there! There's a plan to download, thanks to @Vadda, and here is the file, which is buried in the long sequence of comments:

thank you very much for this, I have downloaded it and it is printing right now.
 

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I have another question about the YDS-150, concerning the way you blow it. As I mentioned, I used to own an Aerophone AE-05 "Go", and I currently own (but almost never touch) an Aerophone AE-01 "Mini." In both of these, you are essentially blowing through a length of aquarium tubing. I found this oddly fatiguing, compared to an actual sax. I assume this is because the diameter of the tube is small. The best way to describe the fatigue/discomfort is that it feels like I can't release my breath fast enough.

Anyway, the YDS-150 is obviously also based on this tube approach, but I'm wondering if the tube is wider across, to make it more free blowing than the others.
 

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Not free-blowing, you have plenty of air left when it's time to breath unless you release it along the way through the corners, which I doubt is a good habit to get into.
 

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A small YDS-150 heads-up - Clean the mouthpiece and reed

If you have a YDS-150 and are playing it much, be sure to take the mouthpiece off, remove the ligature and reed, and carefully wipe the grunge off of them, washing the mouthpiece in warm water and drying it inside and out with a soft cloth. After about a month, mine gets filthy with gunk that can't be good for the instrument or your own personal hygiene. This is probably also true of the WX-5 reed (which needs to be unscrewed) and mpc opening.
 

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According to Hermes my one is coming next week. I am so excited. My main reason for buying it is to practice and I have read that muscle memory really transfers to the yani 901 alto I own. I will update you with progress
 

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According to Hermes my one is coming next week. I am so excited. My main reason for buying it is to practice and I have read that muscle memory really transfers to the yani 901 alto I own. I will update you with progress. I forgot to mention that I found my neighbour in this front garden curled up into a ball screaming stop stop
 

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A small YDS-150 heads-up - Clean the mouthpiece and reed

If you have a YDS-150 and are playing it much, be sure to take the mouthpiece off, remove the ligature and reed, and carefully wipe the grunge off of them, washing the mouthpiece in warm water and drying it inside and out with a soft cloth. After about a month, mine gets filthy with gunk that can't be good for the instrument or your own personal hygiene. This is probably also true of the WX-5 reed (which needs to be unscrewed) and mpc opening.

It's worth noting the lack of instructions about cleaning the breathing tube itself, of course they don't want customers messing around in there as it's probably easy to garble the sensor, but one does wonder how that's going to pan out over years. I begin to have visions of some sort of aftermarket moisture trap, possibly adapted from the bagpipe world.
 

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It's worth noting the lack of instructions about
Everything! Midi and bluetooth barely mentioned. I do think there was something about removing the lig and reed to clean, but I don't recall what. This is an issue because most of us usually at least remove the reed from time to time. As rthis is a fake plastic reed, it never needs to be removed, so when you do, I'm sure you'll find the same disgusting gunk I saw when I cleaned it. I took the time to add a cushion to the mpc as well today.
 

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Yes they mention cleaning MP and reed with a dry swab.
And the bell, but that's it.
No mentionning about cleaning the inner tubing.

Make sure it drains properly when you play. I forgot my cleaning swab in the bell and it clogged up. Some keys weren't functionning. I spotted the problem, played hard a bit and it was OK again.
 

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It came today and I have not been able to put it down ALL DAY!!! I have also been experimenting with midi garageband and laid down a few tracks. I am blown away with this instrument. I played over the rainbow and then exchanged the instrument in garageband to strings. It was so cool. My playing time with the regular sax is dependent on how long my neighbours can bear it, now I can practice whenever I want. Fantastic
 

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OK day 2 musings. It is a very good instrument to practice with. I have been able to use it as a midi controller for GarageBand and generated a few tracks. I have learned some new tricks and been able to transfer this new learning to my Yani 901, so I am convinced that it has real benefit. It is definitely not a sax, for that you have to blow your own horn, but for the practice and midi its terrific
 

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After dozens of videos and as may recordings, I haven't changed my mind. It's an expensive piece for what it can do, but if you can afford it, it will serve many purposes, none of which are related to sounding like a saxophone, with one exception: With sufficient effects like reverb, echo, distortion or modulation and clever use of the analogue control, you can get a decent bari or soprano sound for a moment. Of the saxes, the other two are truly awful. But again, with external effects, you can get a tenor sound for a short phrase or two. I took pains to say in the title of this review, "Digital Instrument". As someone says about (or was it on the other forum or in another post), it's a synthesizer in the shape of a saxophone.

All in all, I'm very happy with it, but it is definitely NOT for everyone.
 

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