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one of the finest jazz fusion bands -

http://youtu.be/GggZUSX91rA - Birdland 1978 Rockpalast
http://youtu.be/F02mBkBoMQw - A Remark You Made 1978 Rockpalast
http://youtu.be/_hPuMEGidoQ - Thanks For The Memories 1978
http://youtu.be/I63bOi477cA - Teen Town 1978
http://youtu.be/sfCt2olMMPs - Black Market 1976 Montreux
http://youtu.be/QgCe7hCVYSY - Scarlet Woman 1976 Montreux
http://youtu.be/5bIk1Wl21Yk - 1971 Beat Club

I suspect I'm not the only one who was inspired to take up the sax after listening to Wayne Shorter
 

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Argh! One of JZ's keyboards is tuned back to front. Weird.
Inverted Keyboard (Zawinul)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun03/articles/joezawinul.asp
"The ARP was great. I still play it today. It was the first keyboard that could be inverted, in other words, when your hands go up, you're sounding down. It's a mirror system where C remains C, D flat becomes B, D becomes B flat, and so on. When you play chords with this, you have to have a good brain. What's good about it is that you get different ideas. Weather Report's 'Black Market' was played on an inverted keyboard. Check it out."
 
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This is the tune that brought Shorter to my attention, i then went on to search his past discography
 

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This is the tune that brought Shorter to my attention, i then went on to search his past discography
thanks, I don't think the 'Second Genesis' album was easily available back in 1976 when I first heard Weather Report and I can't say that jazz interested me when I was 12. It was only when I read interviews with Joe Zawinul and other alumni that I first encountered the magic words 'Miles Davis'
 

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Inverted Keyboard (Zawinul)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun03/articles/joezawinul.asp
"It's a mirror system where C remains C, D flat becomes B, D becomes B flat, and so on."
That seems unnecessarily perverse (as if reversing the keyboard wasn't perverse enough). I would have thought mapping D to D would be much easier to cope with. Then all the white keys would map to white keys and black to black, and the two hands would just swap roles.
 
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That seems unnecessarily perverse (as if reversing the keyboard wasn't perverse enough). I would have thought mapping D to D would be much easier to cope with. Then all the white keys would map to white keys and black to black, and the two hands would just swap roles.
Zawinul started off as an accordion player, so maybe it makes more sense to him.
I'm not sure what the 'mapping' is that you refer to, but bear in mind this was a synthesiser made well before Midi and doing anything fancy would've involved some serious messing about with control voltages.
I think he only used this inverted keyboard on the tune 'Black Market' - if you watch the video, the ARP 2600 is back to normal on all the other pieces
"What's good about it is that you get different ideas" probably gives us a clue as to why he did it
 

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I'm not sure what the 'mapping' is that you refer to,
A one-to-one relationship: D to D, D# to Db, E to C, etc.

but bear in mind this was a synthesiser made well before Midi and doing anything fancy would've involved some serious messing about with control voltages.
I'm guessing these are DC voltages you're talking about. Applying a bias voltage is well within the technology of the day. But yes, it's more complicated than just reversing the wiring. And if the keyboard runs from C to C, I accept that reversing the wiring will map C to C.

I think he only used this inverted keyboard on the tune 'Black Market' - if you watch the video, the ARP 2600 is back to normal on all the other pieces
"What's good about it is that you get different ideas" probably gives us a clue as to why he did it
Fair enough.
 
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