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kevgermany

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voice leading?
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Should really be a proper discussion on this somewhere else, but it's a pig to break it out using my phone.

Many of the Web resources are poor on this topic, including Wikipedia.

We tend to think in terms of chord progressions. And stop there. Voice leading is about how/why these progressions work.

Firstly think of each note in a chord as being played by a different instrument or voice.

Then think of where each voice has to move to and how far to play/make the next chord. It's this that is voice leading. And this is missing/glossed over in many Web definitions.

Now do some web research, the pdf on gmajor's site is pretty good.
 

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voice leading?
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Example:
|Dm7|G7|Cmaj|

notes (one for bar)
CBB
FFE
DDC ....

a handy method yo avoid the common unpleasant practice of improvisers
- fast phrase starting with D
- fast phrase starting with G
- fast phrase starting with C

It seems that the new server does not prevent us from going off topic.
 

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Example:
|Dm7|G7|Cmaj|

notes (one for bar)
CBB
FFE
DDC ....

a handy method yo avoid the common unpleasant practice of improvisers
- fast phrase starting with D
- fast phrase starting with G
- fast phrase starting with C

It seems that the new server does not prevent us from going off topic.
Please explain at idiot level for guys like me.
 

Jeanette

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Please explain at idiot level for guys like me.

and gals like me, only up to ch5 in Edley's music theory which covers chords and triads (and I thought triads was a website to buy cheap designer clothes) ;)

Jx
 

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Please explain at idiot level for guys like me.
'I think I should understand that better,' Kev said very politely, 'if I had it written down: but I can't quite follow it as you say it.'

If we only had a stave facility....

(and I thought triads was a website to buy cheap designer clothes) ;)
Minor thirds are a continental bra size....
 

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Let's see if this helps anyone in the key of C
C is a British bra size.

I like buying glasses, if only I had more space in my cupboards. My favourites are the ones for red wine.
 

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Can we keep this one on track please. It's an important concept and needs to be sorted - then we can make it a resource.

Chris - the pdf is interesting, but needs a proper explanation. We're faced with the old training problem - getting expert knowledge to dummies. And the experts don't realise what the dummies need to know to understand what is, to them, a simple and well understood concept. This is the problem with most of the web descriptions I've seen.
 

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My concept of voice leading, could be wrong, but is a horizontal view of chord movements.
It is like writing a line across a chord progression that touches chord notes.
I don't have time now to write an example on staff, but if we take a C blues and we start with an E on the C7 chord, a possible descending horizontal movement could be (whole notes)
E Eb C Bb A F E D D C B

Really difficult to explain with words.

Now, back to bras and glasses....
 

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Been trying to make amends for my missed opportunity, so how about some examples?

Examples of effective voice leading on a ii-V-I. (Eg in C major, Dm7-G7-Cmaj7)

3-7-3 (F-F-E)
7-3-7 (C-B-B)
5-9-5 (A-A-G)
9-5-9 (E-D-D) or, for a bit more tension 9-13-5 (E-E-D) or even 9-b13-5 (E-Eb-D).

And of course, by moving around on the V chord you can combine them, eg 7-3 (C-B) followed by 9-5 (A-G).
 

Jamesmac

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Surely it's all in the title. Voice Leading A note that is the shortest distance leading to the next chord or phrase. Which I believe Aldevis explained. I think it's one of those questions that it is so simple, you keep thinking. Where is the catch.:)
 

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a horizontal view of chord movements.
It is like writing a line across a chord progression that touches chord notes.
Examples of effective voice leading on a ii-V-I. (Eg in C major, Dm7-G7-Cmaj7)

3-7-3 (F-F-E)
7-3-7 (C-B-B)
5-9-5 (A-A-G)
9-5-9 (E-D-D) or, for a bit more tension 9-13-5 (E-E-D) or even 9-b13-5 (E-Eb-D).

Now guess who was good in maths and who preferred philosophy.
 

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Surely it's all in the title. Voice Leading A note that is the shortest distance leading to the next chord or phrase. Which I believe Aldevis explained. I think it's one of those questions that it is so simple, you keep thinking. Where is the catch.:)
but why take the shortest distance all the time? why not take the scenic route?
 

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