Saxophones The original and first saxophone in C that was made in History

@jcn664 congratulations on your beautiful C soprano.
What is the history of this mark below?
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PigSquealer said:
@jcn664 congratulations on your beautiful C soprano.
What is the history of this mark below?
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I don't know, but i know one thing, probably Adolphe sax made this to export in english band or english orchestral, or english customer,


But it's really Adolphe sax because it's really write Adolphe and Cie with the logo AS for Adolphe Sax

The reference is 10171 and was made during 1853

And i will received tomorrow,
 
jcn664 said:
I don't know, but i know one thing, probably Adolphe sax made this to export in english band or english orchestral, or english customer,


But it's really Adolphe sax because it's really write Adolphe and Cie with the logo AS for Adolphe Sax

The reference is 10171 and was made during 1853

And i will received tomorrow,
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Maybe someone here on Café living in London will know the history.
“Sole Agents” is importer / distributor. I’m guessing a substantial company.
 
Rudall, Rose and then adding Carte & company had an interesting relationship with Boehm, his flutes and music.
IIRC it started around 1830 something and then with the Alto flute in G a few decades later.
Discussed in the Boehm book on the flute and flute playing, with the variations in shapes of the embouchure hole etc etc during those early modernizing years.
Will read over the notes I found when doing some research on the Isidor Lot clarinet
in C and how the instruments made in France got to England via Rudall Rose Carte etc etc.
 
I tend to collect well regarded low pitch saxophones that will still play well in the modern world. Some are rare, or mythical, but most of them have some positive discussion around them on the forums.

Early horns such as yours don't interest me much. Sure, they have a place in history but if they are just wall hangers or museum pieces I'm left a little cold.

I have bought a fair few stencil horns, some obscure, like the Dore alto (SML "Standard") but these are an attempt at getting a great player at a rock bottom price. My Yani T4 "Super Pennsylvania" is another such example.

I do applaud you for laying out vast amounts of money to save "rare" saxophones which otherwise may turn to dust, and for your obvious glee in your finds, but I'm betting the sellers will be even happier to see them gone.
 
PigSquealer said:
Cool find on that link !
The information confirms the sax is pre 1872 just from the names on stamp.
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Hum sorry but, i know the date of Making this c soprano,

It's really 1853, it's simply the serial number 10171 by Adolphe sax

You see on many Website and document listing by edimburgh university, it tries to reference all instrument by Adolphe sax by reference,

It's between 1852-1853
 
jcn664 said:
Hum sorry but, i know the date of Making this c soprano,

It's really 1853, it's simply the serial number 10171 by Adolphe sax

You see on many Website and document listing by edimburgh university, it tries to reference all instrument by Adolphe sax by reference,

It's between 1852-1853
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@PigSquealer was agreeing with you, not arguing against you, as the distributors name changed in 1873. He was saying it must be earlier, as you say, than 1872.
Have you not done much research yourself?
 
DavidUK said:
I tend to collect well regarded low pitch saxophones that will still play well in the modern world. Some are rare, or mythical, but most of them have some positive discussion around them on the forums.

Early horns such as yours don't interest me much. Sure, they have a place in history but if they are just wall hangers or museum pieces I'm left a little cold.

I have bought a fair few stencil horns, some obscure, like the Dore alto (SML "Standard") but these are an attempt at getting a great player at a rock bottom price. My Yani T4 "Super Pennsylvania" is another such example.

I do applaud you for laying out vast amounts of money to save "rare" saxophones which otherwise may turn to dust, and for your obvious glee in your finds, but I'm betting the sellers will be even happier to see them gone.
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DavidUK said:
@PigSquealer was agreeing with you, not arguing against you, as the distributors name changed in 1873. He was saying it must be earlier, as you say, than 1872.
Have you not done much research yourself?
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I don't say the opposite, i just say with more description that how i know it's 1853 exactly,

I know this date because i see the serial number and i used too the document by university of edimburgh in reference and after i conclude it's 1853, i explained just my process of research
 
DavidUK said:
I tend to collect well regarded low pitch saxophones that will still play well in the modern world. Some are rare, or mythical, but most of them have some positive discussion around them on the forums.

Early horns such as yours don't interest me much. Sure, they have a place in history but if they are just wall hangers or museum pieces I'm left a little cold.

I have bought a fair few stencil horns, some obscure, like the Dore alto (SML "Standard") but these are an attempt at getting a great player at a rock bottom price. My Yani T4 "Super Pennsylvania" is another such example.

I do applaud you for laying out vast amounts of money to save "rare" saxophones which otherwise may turn to dust, and for your obvious glee in your finds, but I'm betting the sellers will be even happier to see them gone.
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Thank you, and just for information, i'am professional reconverted in restorator of instrument, and my collector will be used of my local business,

All customer will be played in rare instrument and have very authentic experience.

For exemple, one customer comes in local, he would like a full restorate, it could be take a little time to trying a cool and rare instrument for fun, and curiosity.

We can have the little difference with other restorate and have a good marketing argument to come in my little business XD
 
PigSquealer said:
Any chance a business directory would have dates of address ?
100 New Bend Street
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New Bond Street, for a long time one of the most prestigious shopping streets in London. Claimed to currently have the highest density of haute couture shops in the world. Looks like Rudall Carte were there between 1852 and 1872.
 
PigSquealer said:
@Stephen Howard what do you make of the solder filled holes on all the key arms ?
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Solder-filled holes? It might be that the barrels feature 'compound rods' - a bit like you find on a flute - whereby a small screw or a pin is used to lock the key to the rod.
Such a featured turned up on a Boosey & Co soprano:

Boosey & Co. Ltd. soprano saxophone review

A workbench review of the Boosey & Co. Ltd. soprano sax
www.shwoodwind.co.uk

Edit: Just seen the original pics...and no, I've no idea what those curious holes are about.

As for the lyre holder; don't forget that the sax was originally invented for French military bands.
 
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