All profit supporting special needs music education and Help Musicians

Saxophones The New King tenor by Keilwerth

thomsax

Well-Known Member
Messages
4,360
Locality
Sweden
I bought a Keilwerth built "The New King" the other day. According from the serial # (60XXX) it's from c 1968.

Some questions and thoughts:
Who put the black laquer on the sax? It's a pro job. Can it have been done in -68?
The acrylic keygaurd is replaced with metal.
The cloth gaurd is acrylic.
The pads are with no resonators/reflectors?

Otherwise it seems to be a good intermediate sax. No damage to talk about (straight body, neck fits) but the sax is leaking. I bouhgt it for less money with a Berg Larsen ss mpc. I know some Rocksax players who wants a cheap tenor so I 'm going to offer them "The New King" for the same money as I bouhgt it for + the material cost (maybe new pads, corks and felts). I like the tone from these big bore saxes. View attachment 728 View attachment 729 View attachment 730

Thomas
 

Jules

Formerly known as "nachoman"
Messages
4,898
Locality
brighton by the sea
plus it looks great... fine looking piece of kit!
 

kevgermany

ex Landrover Nut
Café Supporter
Messages
21,912
Locality
Just north of Munich
Looks fantastic. Give me a shout if they're not interested.
 
Messages
514
Locality
kent
this is the second New King that i have seen with black laquer so i am guessing that they were probably produced that way around the time this one was built.
i had one of the older ones with the acrylic key guard and it served me well for the best part of a decade in all sorts of settings rock,jazz live work and recording sessions i often miss the old beast!
 
Messages
514
Locality
kent
in case anyone is interested there is an older model new king for sale on ebay. look under vintage saxophones
 

kevgermany

ex Landrover Nut
Café Supporter
Messages
21,912
Locality
Just north of Munich
this is the second New King that i have seen with black laquer so i am guessing that they were probably produced that way around the time this one was built.
i had one of the older ones with the acrylic key guard and it served me well for the best part of a decade in all sorts of settings rock,jazz live work and recording sessions i often miss the old beast!

I think you're right. There's a thread in saxwelt.de where someone has posted a shot of himself with one, complete with acrylic keyguards and a wish that he hadn't sold it, but he did so for the money. He also says there weren't amny balck saxes around then, but he'd anted a black one.
 

thomsax

Well-Known Member
Messages
4,360
Locality
Sweden
I think you're right. There's a thread in saxwelt.de where someone has posted a shot of himself with one, complete with acrylic keyguards and a wish that he hadn't sold it, but he did so for the money. He also says there weren't amny balck saxes around then, but he'd anted a black one.

So the black laquer can be original? Keilwerth dropped the acrylic keygaurds because they crackled? Most Keilwerths had rolled toneholes but mine has straight toneholes. I have another Keilwerth alto stencil (Wikena -56) with rolled toneholes and very sturdy keygaurds. Built like a tank! I almost got a King (Cleveland, OH, USA) feeling when I play Keilwerth built saxes.

View attachment 733 View attachment 734

I bought the sax for half the price of a BW student sax with a Berg Larsen ss mpc. But I think I'm going to repad "The New King! tenor.

Thomas
 

milandro

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,488
Locality
the Netherlands
I am sure that the black lacquer is original (and gorgeous) and this is a post rolled toneholes New King akin to the Couf Superba
You are very lucky to have found such a sax and in such a state they are great players and personally I (and the market with me) prefer(s) them to the rolled toneholes ones.
http://www.saxpics.com/keilwerth/h-couf.htm
 

kevgermany

ex Landrover Nut
Café Supporter
Messages
21,912
Locality
Just north of Munich
The pic on saxwelt has acrylic keyguards.

http://saxwelt.de/index.php/en/home-topmenu-17/keilwerth-/70929-keilwerth-the-new-king.html#70962

My guess is you've a mix cos some of the acrylics broke and were replaced with metal, but it's a guess.

My teacher has a New King Tenor of about the same age, straight tone holes, metal guards - sounds fantastic... Better than his Kohlert or Mk VI.

So is it lacquer, or plated?
 
Last edited:

milandro

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,488
Locality
the Netherlands
this model had only the acrylic pants guard and the other guards a re completely original, so I believe is the lacquer
 

Jules

Formerly known as "nachoman"
Messages
4,898
Locality
brighton by the sea
Doh- just posted on the wrong thread....
 

Popular Discussions

London
Paris
New York
Los Angeles
Sydney
Moscow
New Delhi
Top Bottom