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The Café Saxophone Video Compilation, Volume I

randulo

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As mentioned elsewhere, how about recording a video and stitching them together?

Initial thoughts that you can have alternate suggestions for:

1. If you can not record video, record audio and we can show a still image of your choice (preferably of you and your ax)
2. It's best to be able to send just the saxophone for better sound. If this isn't possible, make sure the saxophone part is louder than the backing track.
3. Agree on a place to exchange the videos, such as Google Drive or Dropbox or Box. As long as the compiler can access them all, not everyone will need to do so.
4. Mark suggested Watermelon Man. Anyone have a problem with that?

Hey if it works, we make it a tradition! To start we only need two people, and I'm pretty sure we have that already.

What say you?
 
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I'm in. Sounds like fun.
Seeing what you've done with doubling yourself, you obviously are set up to edit, too. As an aside, I usually record the video on my camera (not phone or computer) and the audio with Logic. I then sync them up. For a compilation, decent audio is a must. If the audio of sax only is used, the general sound will be ok, it can even be adjusted a little with EQ.
@Mark Hancock you have a backing track in mind? Should we make one using BiaB? With a modulation? >:)
 

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It does sound like fun, but I need to consult a cosmetic surgeon and/or CGI specialists.

Just as a thought - would it be a good idea to specify the formats for video (including whether landscape of portrait) and audio ?

Rhys
 
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would it be a good idea to specify the formats for video (including whether landscape of portrait) and audio ?
We could suggest them, but it matters little because it can all be edited together. The best audio would be lossless (WAV, AIFF) the video can be anything MOV, AVI, MP4. I'm not sure a direct phone recording in their weird format is good, but we can try.

How about each person who's interested do a 5 second sample of anything and post it somewhere for download. (Again, box, dropbox, google drive, cloud something...). I've seen video from Mark, @guidocreo and I think @Veggie Dave, so if you've already posted, a link to it is enough.
 

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Yep, I have basic video editing software. I usually record video on the phone and audio on the ipad using studio one. Then I combine them in the video editing software. I visually sync the audio tracks and mute the audio from the phone.
 

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We could suggest them, but it matters little because it can all be edited together. The best audio would be lossless (WAV, AIFF) the video can be anything MOV, AVI, MP4. I'm not sure a direct phone recording in their weird format is good, but we can try.

How about each person who's interested do a 5 second sample of anything and post it somewhere for download. (Again, box, dropbox, google drive, cloud something...). I've seen video from Mark, @guidocreo and I think @Veggie Dave, so if you've already posted, a link to it is enough.
Good idea. Some kind of test run
 
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Several regulars here have done video. For those who can't, like I said, you can still participate by sending audio-only and an, image.
 

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I'm not sure how it's possible to accurately sync a video clip that only has sax audio with the backing. I never tried that.... does anyone know?
 
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Just count at the beginning, I do it every time I make a video. Or allow a very small amount of the track to leak.
 

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Just count at the beginning, I do it every time I make a video. Or allow a very small amount of the track to leak.
Aha! So, all the submissions are a complete recording of the track with the player counting in at the start. Is that what you mean?

I produced a birthday compilation video for a group of friends recently and some had background music being played through speakers. It's didn't sound great so I overdubbed the original music track on the clips and it worked quite well. Could still hear their voices clearly. The result was pretty good, but that wasn't primarily a music video.
 

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I'm not sure how it's possible to accurately sync a video clip that only has sax audio with the backing. I never tried that.... does anyone know?
To do it 'properly' you would use timecode. This isn't going to happen, so we'll ignore that option. ;)

The easiest way is the way everyone has seen films being made, with a clapperboard or some other visual that can be synched to the audio. One easy way to do this would be to have a longer count-in on the backing track, say 12 clicks. The first four are so you have a lead-in to the next part which is where you clap precisely on the next four beats. Then you have your normal four beat count-in to start the song.

The editor then knows that once s/he has synched those four claps on the video to the four clicks on the audio, the whole thing is in perfect synch.
 

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To do it 'properly' you would use timecode. This isn't going to happen, so we'll ignore that option. ;)

The easiest way is the way everyone has seen films being made, with a clapperboard or some other visual that can be synched to the audio. One easy way to do this would be to have a longer count-in on the backing track, say 12 clicks. The first four are so you have a lead-in to the next part which is where you clap precisely on the next four beats. Then you have your normal four beat count-in to start the song.

The editor then knows that once s/he has synched those four claps on the video to the four clicks on the audio, the whole thing is in perfect synch.
It sounds like a plan
 
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I visually sync the audio tracks and mute the audio from the phone.
Yeah, that's how I do it. So we "cheat" because we have the bad audio from the video, so it's easier. Still, a count (clap, whatever same) is the way to go. The backing track would have a 1, 2, 1 2 3 4 usually and everyone can say the second count to 3, for example. The harder issue is how in sync each video, produced on entirely different hardware and software would be. However, this isn't going out for international release on behalf of UNESCO or whatever so even if there isn't perfect sync, it should be good enough.

If Watermelon Man is it, what backing track would everyone want to use?

EDIT: I just read the part about 12 clicks. I don't understand why so many, but it's fine with me.
 
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Aha! So, all the submissions are a complete recording of the track with the player counting in at the start. Is that what you mean?
I think that's the way to go, because anything else is even more complicated. There could even be several versions of edits of the same players in different sections, etc. But first, there needs to be one agreed-upon backing track. Most of us probably don't need notes, but if anyone does they won't come from me as I can't read. The usual key is F concert, right?
 

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@Mark Hancock mentioned Watermelon Man - I have a six horn arrangement of that based on the Mongo Santamaria recording which I could adapt for just saxes, so that there would be some simple horn backings for some of the solos. I could probably do a BiaB backing to match the arrangement once we know how many solo choruses.


Even room for some people to chant the lyric ("Watermelon Man") ?

But lots of other tunes would work too.

Rhys
 
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@Mark Hancock mentioned Watermelon Man - I have a six horn arrangement of that based on the Mongo Santamaria recording which I could adapt for just saxes, so that there would be some simple horn backings for some of the solos. I could probably do a BiaB backing to match the arrangement once we know how many solo choruses.


Even room for some people to chant the lyric ("Watermelon Man") ?

But lots of other tunes would work too.

Rhys
That sounds brilliant Rhys - I was thinking along those lines but I have no idea about arranging.
 
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