What is it
I have listened to the examples on Pete's site but it just sounds like someone playing quietly
am I missing sumut
Subtoning seems simpler to me than we seem to be making it here. The thing I do to subtone is take in less mouthpiece, and use my lower lip much more to cushion than normal. The key thing is you don't want the reed vibrating too much, you use the lower lip to dampen a lot of the sound. Play around with how much you can dampen the reed's vibration with your lower lip. There's a spot where you get the right amount of fundamental, edge, and air that you're looking for.
Ah brilliant, thanks alot for that John. I've been going completly the wrong direction, having less mouthpiece in, and less lip. Definatly going to try this out when i get back home.
whatever works is best.