Shellac for reflectors or resonators?

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A question for the experts as Im a bit confused. Is it a reflector when you fill the negative space with shellac ( floating) but a resonator when you put shellac around the edges so it can move like a speaker cone? Ive read old selmers and conns used and still the edge method but some repair dudes are spooning the shellac in there and losing the speaker effect. So which is the best method please?
 
AFAIK a resonator is the metal or plastic disc that fits over the pad and secured by the rivet in the middle. I’ve heard some people call them reflectors but the common term is resonator. Even though they probably do reflect rather than resonate.

I’ve never heard either term in regard to shellac or any kind of speaker cone effect as that relies on magnetism and electricity. I think pads are too soft to actually resonate.
 
Have a geek at this a mo...http://okutsumouthpieces.com/function-of-sax-pad-resonator-was-forgotten/
 
AFAIK a resonator is the metal or plastic disc that fits over the pad and secured by the rivet in the middle. I’ve heard some people call them reflectors but the common term is resonator. Even though they probably do reflect rather than resonate.

I’ve never heard either term in regard to shellac or any kind of speaker cone effect as that relies on magnetism and electricity. I think pads are too soft to actually resonate.
I didnt mean the coil and magnet, I meant the actual cone going in and out. Theres a short vid on the link above.👍
 
No.. chrome reported it as unsafe.

And there was the same discussion on SOTW

And the evidence required to show a small circle of cardboard, wrapped in soft leather, can resonate at all, let alone in a way that's significant for a musical instrument, would be published in Nature or Science mag.
Chrome? 😁 the sites fine use a different browser, its a short video showing the difference in motion of the pad between floating the pad and a pad thats fixed around the edges. Ive just asked Matt stohrer the same question and he went on the defensive, Im just trying to find out which is the best method.
 
No.. chrome reported it as unsafe.

And there was the same discussion on SOTW

And the evidence required to show a small circle of cardboard, plastic or tin, wrapped in soft leather, can resonate at all, let alone in a way that's significant for a musical instrument, would be published in Nature or Science mag.
cheers for link Ive read that no answers really because nobodies tried it, seems everyones spent years floating them so it must be right, but is it? Only bit I gleaned was yanis use less.
 
I just read that article. It is complete nonsense. It claims that manufacturers used a small amount of shellac because it allowed the pads to resonate. In other words, the air gap is desired.

In actual fact, manufacturers used (and still use) a small amount of shellac because they are both cheap and lazy. And a flexible pad can more easily be clamped to appear to seal. Which is why so many new horns need to be set up.

Further the idea of a pad made of leather, felt and cardboard resonating is laughable.

@Urgoyle please ignore this article. FWIW Pete’s comments on what a resonator is are correct.
 
I had a bottom B pad fall off, after inspection it wasnt fixed with a lot of shellac. If you were somewhere with no internet connection without advice naturally you would replace them how they were done originally would you not?
 
Sounds as though you're worrying about something that doesn't need to be worried about

You can safely forget that misleading information
A question for the experts as Im a bit confused. Is it a reflector when you fill the negative space with shellac ( floating) but a resonator when you put shellac around the edges so it can move like a speaker cone
The inside of a sax reflects sound from mouthpiece to bell

Your sax is made of metal that reflects sound better than, let's say leather

If your sax was made of leather it might resonate more, but would it sound better?
 
I had a bottom B pad fall off, after inspection it wasnt fixed with a lot of shellac. If you were somewhere with no internet connection without advice naturally you would replace them how they were done originally would you not?
Not if I determined (as well I might) that the reason it fell off was, er, not enough shellac
 
I know how my comments on here must seem like..whos this new bloke telling us weve been doing it wrong for years.but thats not my intention. Thats forums, texting and communication in general these days. I just want to know thats all, and having worked in furniture restoration in the past we tried to repair things back to how they were originally.
 

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