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allansto

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Ok so we all know sax is not the top instrument of choice in a band.
I would like to play some music that I like, but how do I get the music of an arangement
for an instrument like tenor sax.
Eg; I would like to play Hallelujah by lenard cohen but all the sheet music I can find is for every other instrument but.
Does it need to be transposed?
Help?
 

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Hi. Someone not long ago posted info about wikiphonia where you can get sheet music. I have found that transposing is not such a chore and is quite a good way of learning, at least for me. Sorry cant be much help. Wish you luck even though Hallelujah is for me the most awful stuff.
Best wishes
Mike
 

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Here you go mate ...

Ok so we all know sax is not the top instrument of choice in a band.
I would like to play some music that I like, but how do I get the music of an arangement
for an instrument like tenor sax.
Eg; I would like to play Hallelujah by lenard cohen but all the sheet music I can find is for every other instrument but.
Does it need to be transposed?
Help?

I would like to play Hallelujah by Lenard Cohen

Download MuseScore its free ...

You can transpose to a key of your choice with a couple of clicks ... ;}

Experiment with the Transpose link [Just below the Download Button] ...

The Download Button will give you the lead sheet in PDF format ...

or/also

Save a copy in MusicXML - [see link] to save a copy in a format so you can load it into MuseScore where you can also transpose it easily ... :mrcool
 
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If you use "Wikiphonia" then that site will transpose for you, top right hand side of your screen.

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allansto

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thanks
The link you gave took me right to it
The music was in c and pressing the bflat tab didnt make it sound right at all
So I played with the transpose button pressing +5/1flat gave me something that sounds about right.
cheers
 

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Allan, tenor sax is in Bb, i.e. it plays a tone (and an octave) below what's written. So any music in concert pitch needs to be transposed UP to compensate - by 2 semitones. Thus music in C needs to be transposed to D (2 sharps) for tenor. Bb tab on wikifonia does just that. Sometimes it sounds too low, so you'll transpose up another octave (or just play an octave higher). After transposing, make sure the transposition is within the range of the instrument.
 

allansto

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Thanks Kev
This is all new to me, but if I do as you suggest then the bflat key transposition puts in
an f sharp.
I dont think i can play an f sharp on my tenor sax ( according to my key chart)
If so, please tell me how ?
I could ask my teacher but Ive broken my leg and cant get to lessons at the moment.
 

allansto

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kev cancell that last request ive found my f sharp
 

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If you use "Wikiphonia" then that site will transpose for you, top right hand side of your screen.

Chris
wikifonia is dead :( But FYI, playthatsheet.com is free and alive and contains wikifonia library (+ many other ones. More than 20k+ musicxml sheets that can be played, transposed or just downloaded)
 

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wikifonia is dead :( But FYI, playthatsheet.com is free and alive and contains wikifonia library (+ many other ones. More than 20k+ musicxml sheets that can be played, transposed or just downloaded)
That might be a good link for

 

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Is it legal to copy and trade sheet music online. I don't know? I know it wasn't legal to transrcibe a famous rock sax solo and print it in a magazine. There were no transcription to use. I never share sheet music with others then fellow musicians. I used to send out (e-mail) but the day I saw the sheet music I paid 800.00 s e k for I stopped send out e-mail with sheet music. The guy who did the arrangements need the money.
 

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I use music notes it costs a subscription or £3.50 but it can transpose for you. I feel that way royalties are covered. I go into karaoke version and find the song and key. I buy this at £1.99. Once the track is bought you can manipulate and re download. I usually play with lyrics for a while then remove them. Back into music notes transpose i.e. if the song is in c get the music in d and purchase this. You can probably get things for free but i perrsonally think that 5.50 is cheap for backing track and score. If you subscribe to music notes you can get it a bit cheaper. You also get a pdf copy to save so you always have it digitally.
 

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Sometimes I buy sheet music for a song. On the front side ther use to information like this. So if I write an horn arrangement or a sax solo with the official sheet music as a ground, is it still legal to trade and sell?
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I use music notes it costs a subscription or £3.50 but it can transpose for you. I feel that way royalties are covered. I go into karaoke version and find the song and key. I buy this at £1.99. Once the track is bought you can manipulate and re download. I usually play with lyrics for a while then remove them. Back into music notes transpose i.e. if the song is in c get the music in d and purchase this. You can probably get things for free but i perrsonally think that 5.50 is cheap for backing track and score. If you subscribe to music notes you can get it a bit cheaper. You also get a pdf copy to save so you always have it digitally.
But I don't think you can share the sheet music on SOTM or BOTM and make it available for visitors at CS. You are not allowed to make backing tracks available for members with out permisssion from the owner. I checked Karaoke Version backing tracks and you can use it as backing tracks and make it possible for CS members to listen to your recording.
 

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Sometimes I buy sheet music for a song. On the front side ther use to information like this. So if I write an horn arrangement or a sax solo with the official sheet music as a ground, is it still legal to trade and sell?
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Guess so if its changed...@petethomas will probably know more..
 

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This is my understanding, but is not binding legal advice. To get that you either pay someone who is insured in case what they tell you is wrong, or you ask the Supreme Court.

Is it legal to copy and trade sheet music online.
If you trade the actual physical book or leaflet that you legally acquired, then yes I'm sure that is legal. (unless you stole it or the book itself was pirated)

Anything that is copied (including sharing of a digital file). Then no, not without permission.

The word copyright is a very simple well defined word that means exactly what it say on the tin: the right to make a copy. You would only have that right on something that does not already have one, ie if it is in the public domain.

So generally my understanding is that it would not be legal to sell a photcopy or a digital scan, or redistribute (share) a digital file you bought or licensed. By generally, I mean unless you have specific permission to do so (which is unlikely unless you ask for it or have a blanket licence to do so).

Notwithstanding (had to chuck in a legal sounding word) there is such a thing as fair use, but usually that only applies to news items and educational use which involves just a small excerpt. (And educational use does not mean that somebody may learn something from it by you posting it on the internet, it means used in a bona fide educational establishment).

if I write an horn arrangement or a sax solo with the official sheet music as a ground, is it still legal to trade and sell?

Guess so if its changed...@petethomas will probably know more..
I'm not sure what is meant by "as a ground" . In most cases the copyright is in the melody. So you could publish just a chord sequence and, if the arrangement was 100% original horn lines and none of the lead melody, then I would assume that is fine.

But if, say ,you published an arrangement of Mustang Sally only for horns, and it was a transcription of the original horn parts, then to be honest I'm not 100% sure because often such things are decided in court.

There have been test cases I think where for example the judge or jury decided if what was claimed to just be part of the arrangement (as opposed to the melody) was a significant "hook" and so was a copyright infringement. It is very complex.
 
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You might get more definite answer free by contacting any of the music licensing and royalty collection agencies (PROs) such as PRS, MCPS, ASCAP, BMI, SESAC etc.
 

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Or ask Ed Sheeran - whenever I heard his name I thought he was a standup comedian then never having heard what he sounds like perhaps he is.
 

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