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Saxophones Selmer England Tenor Mouthpiece

In my collection, I have a tenor piece by Selmer, not the usual French made, but one made in England... There's very little on the web about them. What there is suggests they weren't interesting to play (I'm pretty sure Mr Wyver would describe this as the dullest piece he's played).

I was discussing it by PC recently with another member and was asked for a few pics. The mouthpiece is nice, big, dark warm sound, not loud, but almost homely. Suits me.

It's gold plated brass, seems to have the gold straight on the brass, which means that over time the brass will migrate into the gold, affecting the colour/finish. Unlike links, which have layers of plating under the brass, and when the thin gold goes, they turn white/silver.

Something came up in the discussion about the beak construction, which I hadn't noticed before. The roof of the chamber is soldered on to the side rails and body. Also it looks as if the shank is soldered to the body. My guess is that it was cast in parts, put in a jig, then soldered together. You can see this in the side shots, where I've upped the brightness and contrast on the pics, the red arrows show the joins on the outside. Also the small solder bubbles in the roof/rail joint. This is barely visible normally and I think would have been invisible when new, but the plating has worn thin and it's showing through now. Also there's a small step baffle where the body and beak are soldered. The side rails are undercut - but not by filing out, this was cast in.

Lig is interesting and I oringially thought it was a bit dodgy/broken. There's a captive thumb screw, but the thread it screws into isn't where you'd expect it, it's in the loose collar that's sitting on the pressure plate. Means that it tightens nicely, but if you try to overtighten, the collar turns and it doesn't jam/strip the thread. Not much plating left on it, sadly, and you can see where it was soldered on the back.

So - an interesting curiosity - and not very common.


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A big band i used to play with about 10 years ago,the band leader who was a sax player as well as piano player had on of these for alto and he decided to sell it on Ebay it fetched a fortune about £300 which was a lot back then so they must be quite collectable as he had about 4 people bidding against each other.
 
A big band i used to play with about 10 years ago,the band leader who was a sax player as well as piano player had on of these for alto and he decided to sell it on Ebay it fetched a fortune about £300 which was a lot back then so they must be quite collectable as he had about 4 people bidding against each other.
Value of alto pieces may be due to Charlie Parker playing one of these at one time
 
I recently bought a Selmer SBA alto and it came with one of these mouthpieces. I'd never seen one before and I was surprised by the weight. They are very heavy! Mine is bare brass, so the soldering lines are quite visible. It doesn't look to me like the shank is soldered onto the body.
 
Value of alto pieces may be due to Charlie Parker playing one of these at one time
That and the rarity I suppose.

How good they are is going to sound subjective though.
I mean I had a used one for tenor that I found in a small music shop in London in about 1989. It cost me £4 which was cheap. I think about that time a new Otto Link STM was around £60 however I kept the selmer and found it unremarkable at best. Not to my taste at all. My own tastes have changed since I got rid of it on eBay in about 2007 but my recollection is it was just plain and uninspiring, no feedback, no good resistance, no bad resistance no bright sparkle, no dark thickness.....just nothing except a sound.
I look back and some of that will be me of course but I believe there will be plenty of cheap mouthpieces out there that I will do far more of anything you are after.
I think I got £84 for it in a no reserve bid that started around £30.
But thats just my opinion for balance.
I get why some people want them and I get why some people don't want a STM Double Ring.
 
That and the rarity I suppose.

How good they are is going to sound subjective though.
I mean I had a used one for tenor that I found in a small music shop in London in about 1989. It cost me £4 which was cheap. I think about that time a new Otto Link STM was around £60 however I kept the selmer and found it unremarkable at best. Not to my taste at all. My own tastes have changed since I got rid of it on eBay in about 2007 but my recollection is it was just plain and uninspiring, no feedback, no good resistance, no bad resistance no bright sparkle, no dark thickness.....just nothing except a sound.
I look back and some of that will be me of course but I believe there will be plenty of cheap mouthpieces out there that I will do far more of anything you are after.
I think I got £84 for it in a no reserve bid that started around £30.
But thats just my opinion for balance.
I get why some people want them and I get why some people don't want a STM Double Ring.
 
I briefly owned one a few years ago. I was mostly interested in them due to the Charlie Parker connection and also British tenorist Bobby Wellins played one for most of his career. Strange/interesting two part design. It sounded okay listening back but I'd agree that it wasn't the most enjoyable piece to play and there are definitely better mouthpieces available.

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