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Royston

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Looking for an early 1930’s Eagle and Globe Pan American Tenor.
Currently playing a Conn 10M which is great but also looking for a darker sounding horn.
 
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Do you want mine?
 
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I could be interested at the right price (wink wink nudge nudge) and if the monthly payments are acceptable :p
Remember i have a wedding to pay for
 
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£400 To put in baritone fund.
 
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I could be interested at the right price (wink wink nudge nudge) and if the monthly payments are acceptable :p
Remember i have a wedding to pay for
Roy should be bringing it to Jan meet cos he don't want it.
 
JayeNM

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Currently playing a Conn 10M which is great but also looking for a darker sounding horn.
When you say 30's Eagle/Globe are you referring to same-side bellkey PanAms ?
Because, the thing is....the Pan Am body, neck, bell, bow specifications are the same as a 10M. Exactly the same (minus the RTH in some instances). Conn only rolled one body spec off their line which was used for the 6M/10M/PanAm/Director pre-'62.
So the horn will not differ in tonality from a 10M.
 
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When you say 30's Eagle/Globe are you referring to same-side bellkey PanAms ?
Because, the thing is....the Pan Am body, neck, bell, bow specifications are the same as a 10M. Exactly the same (minus the RTH in some instances). Conn only rolled one body spec off their line which was used for the 6M/10M/PanAm/Director pre-'62.
So the horn will not differ in tonality from a 10M.
One bell key on left. See my avatar.
 
Royston

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When you say 30's Eagle/Globe are you referring to same-side bellkey PanAms ?
Because, the thing is....the Pan Am body, neck, bell, bow specifications are the same as a 10M. Exactly the same (minus the RTH in some instances). Conn only rolled one body spec off their line which was used for the 6M/10M/PanAm/Director pre-'62.
So the horn will not differ in tonality from a 10M.
 
Royston

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From what I have been told the early Pan American Tenor saxes we’re actually New Wonder but the rolled tone holes were imperfect so given over to apprentices and were reworked as Pan Ams?
Below pictured my 10M and @Vetinari’s 1932 Pan American. As you can clearly see the difference in the key positioning.
 
Royston

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View attachment 12092 View attachment 12092 From what I have been told the early Pan American Tenor saxes we’re actually New Wonder but the rolled tone holes were imperfect so given over to apprentices and were reworked as Pan Ams?
Below pictured my 10M and @Vetinari’s 1932 Pan American. As you can clearly see the difference in the key positioning.
 
Royston

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This should also show the differences in tonal quality.
 
JayeNM

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From what I have been told the early Pan American Tenor saxes we’re actually New Wonder but the rolled tone holes were imperfect so given over to apprentices and were reworked as Pan Ams?
Below pictured my 10M and @Vetinari’s 1932 Pan American. As you can clearly see the difference in the key positioning.
OK, gotcha...you see, it was in the '30's that they went from opp-bell to same-side bellkeys...i.e. the SAME time the Trannys and 10M's came about...which is why I asked in my initial post here (above) whether you were desiring splitbell or same-side.

Indeed, yes, just like the later Artist series horns....Conn really didn't roll multiple body designs off of their assembly line. So, you are correct...a splitbell PanAm IS a New Wonder, minus the RTH, minus the microtuners where they appear, and with pared-down keywork.


I would agree with you....the splitbells will sound a bit 'darker', I suppose....

Best of luck in your search.
 
JayeNM

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Lotsa specifications changed between the Chus and the Artist horns....neck tube, bow, body tube. Likewise, then, lotsa specs changed between Pan Am Splitbells and PanAm Same-Sided.

Just curious...have you tried a PanAm or NW neck on your 10M ?

I believe they fit and intone each other well.

If you haven't, give it a shot just for kicks...
 
Royston

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Lotsa specifications changed between the Chus and the Artist horns....neck tube, bow, body tube. Likewise, then, lotsa specs changed between Pan Am Splitbells and PanAm Same-Sided.

Just curious...have you tried a PanAm or NW neck on your 10M ?

I believe they fit and intone each other well.

If you haven't, give it a shot just for kicks...

Thanks for your input and will try swapping the neck and see if any noticeable difference.
 
AndyWhiteford

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I've gotta say: the shape of the neck on that split-bell tenor in Royston's picture
looks ALL-wrong for a Conn or Pan Am of 1930s/40s vintage. A replacement neck, I'd venture.
 
Royston

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I've gotta say: the shape of the neck on that split-bell tenor in Royston's picture
looks ALL-wrong for a Conn or Pan Am of 1930s/40s vintage. A replacement neck, I'd venture.

And you have one for sale???
 
AndyWhiteford

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""And you have one for sale???""
I've got a Pan American soprano I gig with, and a 33 Conn NWII transitional tenor I gig with. ( fourth one I've owned )
So - - nope. Try eBay or the-saleroom, they're common enough.
I'll be surprised if a Pan Am tenor is "darker sounding" than your 10M, but beauty is in the ear of the beholder, as they say.
 
mpjbiker

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I've got a split bell key Pan Am tenor-it's a fabulous horn, and not for sale. I've had the sling ring moved (a common 10M mod), and altered both thumb rests-it's my favourite horn. I had some turning issues at first, which all resolved when I slapped a metal link on it. Good luck finding one-I think you'll be lucky to find one in your budget that doesn't need lots of work, but potentially they offer massive value for money.
 
Royston

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I've got a split bell key Pan Am tenor-it's a fabulous horn, and not for sale. I've had the sling ring moved (a common 10M mod), and altered both thumb rests-it's my favourite horn. I had some turning issues at first, which all resolved when I slapped a metal link on it. Good luck finding one-I think you'll be lucky to find one in your budget that doesn't need lots of work, but potentially they offer massive value for money.

Cheers
I’ve actually traded my 10M and got a 1926 Conn New Wonder II that gives me that bit more depth and warmth of sound I was looking for so the search is now over.
 

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