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M/Pieces - Ligs Next time you think you need a new mouthpiece watch this.

Pete Effamy

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That’s crazy. His playing is great. The mouthpiece obviously allows him to play like that, but the finish is really rough and the side walls really thick with a very thin tip. What do you make of it @Phil ?
 
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Dibbs

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I'd like to hear him play something known to be terrible. I suspect he'd sound just the same.
 

Pete Effamy

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I'd like to hear him play something known to be terrible. I suspect he'd sound just the same.
He might sound the same, but a terrible mouthpiece is gonna throw anyone off. This looks terrible to what I'm used to seeing, but perhaps it isn't ?! You can get around around a lot of stuff with air, face and throat/tongue but it's not fun so I don't see why he'd bother. The price... what the hell is going on there?
 

saxyjt

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Well, if you check Amazon for the same, you will probably find something that's similar, but NOT the same. The price is already over 30€ and I don't have a choice of tip opening. So it feels like a shot in the dark!

It's cheap, yes but I have absolutely no confidence that I could receive something anywhere near what's being 'advertised' in that video. I'm not questionning the reality and honesty of the guy. Just how reliable is the Chinese supplier? It's impossible to tell and given my recent history with another Chinese supplier. I have some very serious reservations. I'd say it's like a lottery. You may win or not!

I've never been much of a gambler. ;)
 

randulo

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Well, if you check Amazon for the same, you will probably find something that's similar, but NOT the same. The price is already over 30€ and I don't have a choice of tip opening. So it feels like a shot in the dark!
Remember, there's almost 20% VAT here. They do come in 5, 7, etc.
 
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Dibbs

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Well, if you check Amazon for the same, you will probably find something that's similar, but NOT the same. The price is already over 30€ and I don't have a choice of tip opening. So it feels like a shot in the dark!

It's cheap, yes but I have absolutely no confidence that I could receive something anywhere near what's being 'advertised' in that video. I'm not questionning the reality and honesty of the guy. Just how reliable is the Chinese supplier? It's impossible to tell and given my recent history with another Chinese supplier. I have some very serious reservations. I'd say it's like a lottery. You may win or not!

I've never been much of a gambler. ;)
I wasn't trying to encourage anyone to actually buy one. Just not spend a load of money. If a POS like that can produce decent results you probably don't need a new mouthpiece.
 

sax panther

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My alto mouthpiece cost £18 from China. Metal piece, 6 opening. nicest alto piece I've ever played, sold my Vandoren V16 shortly afterwards. Tried a similarly cheap tenor piece (not from the same place - they only did alto for some reason) and it wasn't a keeper...but I sold it on ebay for £5 more than I paid for it. It wasn't a terrible piece (much nicer than some much more expensive ones I've tried), just didn't beat my current kit like the alto one did.
 

jbtsax

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In this video he mentions that "bakelite" mouthpieces contain both asbestos and formaldehyde.
That statement is true, however a quick search shows there is only a health hazard from the asbestos in the plastic if the item is sawed, sanded, or drilled or the resulting "powder" is swept up without the use of a protective mask.

As far as the health risk from formaldehyde is concerned, this quote From Chemical Safety Facts.org answers that question "Formaldehyde is an essential building block chemical in the production of hundreds of items that improve everyday life. Little, if any, formaldehyde remains in the final products that consumers use."

I am not suggesting that everyone go out and buy a cheap Chinese knockoff mouthpiece made from bakelite. I just want to make sure the information about such products presented on this forum is accurate. I invite anyone who has professional expertise in this area to correct anything I have posted that is wrong.
 

saxyjt

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As far as I know, some Bakelite contain asbestos, not all as is often suggested in many articles I've seen around. The trouble with many consumer products we buy and use is that we don't know what they are made of. We used baby bottles containing formaldehyde for years before it was blacklisted. Asbestos is clearly a dangerous substance. My dad died of asbestos cancer so I'm aware, but I can't live in fear of all the things around me.

Buying low cost products from countries with far less health control and regulations has consequences.
 

Veggie Dave

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In this video he mentions that "bakelite" mouthpieces contain both asbestos and formaldehyde.
That statement is true, however a quick search shows there is only a health hazard from the asbestos in the plastic if the item is sawed, sanded, or drilled or the resulting "powder" is swept up without the use of a protective mask.
This is true for all asbestos, though. It's technically safe until it's damaged in some way. As anyone who knows me in the non-sax world, I'm not big on playing it safe ;) but having been taught about asbestos safety as part of my old job (how to spot it, handle it etc.), it's something to never take risks with.

I would never use a mouthpiece if I knew it contained asbestos. The risk is not theoretical. There is no level of asbestos that is considered safe.
 

randulo

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I would never use a mouthpiece if I knew it contained asbestos. The risk is not theoretical. There is no level of asbestos that is considered safe.
And really, is the health of your mouth and what's connected to it worth saving a few hundred bucks? Not!
 
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