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Lalythil

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For those of you who would like to have a good laugh at someone playing for the very first time. No I didn't have any scores or anything, it was just some random doodling and I know it sounds horrible.

I mean, can't keep pitch, I sometimes leaked air at the corners of my mouth, sudden shifts in position on the mouthpiece which kept shifting my pitch, sometimes too little pressure and other times too much pressure on the reed which didn't help either.

So anywayyyyyy..

Have a good laugh ;)
https://soundcloud.com/lalythil/day-1-first-try
 

sushidushi

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Dat is niet zo slecht!

I actually rather enjoyed it. It was brave to post your first attempt. You will notice some great improvements very quickly. Well done!
 

Lalythil

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Awww tnnxxx ^_^ i do hope to improve very quickly indeed, otherwise i'm doing something very terribly wrong xd (like blowing wrong end or smt lol) but anyway, its good for me as well..

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I thought that was pretty good for a first attempt. Certainly a lot better than mine!
 

thesaxman71

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Well done I say for posting, there was no way i was brave enough at your stage to do that so i have full respect cos as a new sax player it must be quite scary, but it is so good you did this as a reference point in your learning...
I can give you a couple of tips here, your tone sounded best when you used your tongue and try doing that soft to build your own sound, also when you come to place your teeth on the mouthpiece try to put a little less in your mouth and push a bit more 'warm air' into the sax, this will help develop your diaphragm and also less mouthpiece in your mouth with diaphragm support will build a stronger sound/tone and you will sound less 'honky', that is cos at the moment you sound like you are biting too far on to the mouthpiece.
Overall i think it is great to see a new player putting themself out there, keep it going!
and as you say "the best musicians were all beginners at some point ;)"

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If you want any 1 on 1 advice just PM me, always happy to help.
Ian
 

Lalythil

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Thank you very much for your kind words! It certainly helps that I'm already proficient in other musical instruments. That also helped me over my fear of posting my first attempt xD. Another thing that I've done this past month was reading up on playing the sax, so I had at least some theoretical experience to help me along.

Anyway, thank you very very much for all the tips! I can use them greatly :D
And if I need any 1 on 1 help, I'll be sure to let you know! thank you in advance! :D

( btw i did notice that putting the mouthpiece as far in my mouth as i did, made it a lot easier to produce any sound, as i didn't have to put in as much pressure with my lower lip/teeth. But I'll try working on that ;) )
 
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thesaxman71

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( btw i did notice that putting the mouthpiece as far in my mouth as i did, made it a lot easier to produce any sound, as i didn't have to put in as much pressure with my lower lip/teeth. But I'll try working on that ;) )
Indeed it will produce a "sound" but in time as your ear for sax tone improves it will be not such a nice 1 to you and more of a honk, so to develop a better tone put less in your mouth and support the embouchre from your diaphragm, this will help turning the "sound" into developing a better tone.
:)
 

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Great stuff with a bit of luck I should sound that good soon ....John
 

Lalythil

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ahhh you call that a honk? I thought it was more like a cross between an angry duck and a goose :p

ooohhhh and I really hate it when people talk incorrectly abouth the diaphragm >.< The diaphragm only helps with Inhaling! to exhale you should use abdominal muscle support. the way the diaphragm works is to only pull open the lungs and let air in. It can in No Way whatsoever push in the lungs to help exhale. It's such a strong misconception in the musical world and I really don't get it why people won't just open up any anatomy book and have an actual look at the damned thing >.<.

here's a video that explains the actual working of the diaphragm.


but oh well.. i guess i can't change the foolery of the music scene on my own... xD

(I've done my time in medical school btw, so yeah, i do know a thing or two about the human body xD )
 
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thesaxman71

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ooohhhh and I really hate it when people talk incorrectly abouth the diaphragm >.< The diaphragm only helps with Inhaling! to exhale you should use abdominal muscle support. the way the diaphragm works is to only pull open the lungs and let air in. It can in No Way whatsoever push in the lungs to help exhale. It's such a strong misconception in the musical world and I really don't get it why people won't just open up any anatomy book and have an actual look at the damned thing >.<.
oops i forgot i had to be either a doctor or medical student to offer general advice in music, hahaha i was actually meaning using the diaphagm for more support in general and the muscles around that area, that was all :)

you have a long journey ahead, the same as us all, regardless of level, i wish you luck!
 

Lalythil

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I know what you mean. And its a common misconception but im just trying to point out that there is no such thing as diaphragm support no matter how many music teachers keep saying so. The support comes from the abdominal muscles or the 'abs'. And each time i correct someone invthis, i sincerely hope to get this misconception out of the world.

I do appreciate the help though! Thank you for that! ^_^

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1) See Bruce Pearson's Teaching the Saxophone Embouchure for how to shape the mouth and where to place the top teeth on the mouthpiece.

2) Buy a mouthpiece patch and put a groove with your thumbnail where the top teeth should go. Put the top teeth in that spot every time you play.

3) On the mouthpiece and neck alone adjust your embouchure to produce the note Ab Concert (Ab on the piano or tuner).

4) At f play this note on the neck and mouthpiece as a long tone watching the second hand of a clock. Do this until you can play a full, steady, well controlled sound for 20 - 30 seconds.

5) Put the sax together and finger the second octave F and blow with the same embouchure and airstream. Play long tones on this note making it sound as big and full and pretty as you can.

6) Next add a finger and play long tones on that note giving it the best sound you can. Continue this pattern down to low F. You may want to substitute Bb for B so the sequence of notes make a scale.

7) Take some lessons with master teacher Eugene Rousseau at this link to develop correct concepts that will enable you to move forward in the right direction and not fall into common bad habits.

Good luck. You are starting a wonderful journey.

The process described above is based on the simple concept that first you work to make one note sound beautiful. Then you make two notes sound beautiful. Then you continue the process note by note to make a beautiful scale. That evolves into playing a beautiful melody with the notes of that scale, and so on.
 
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