Mr Pan - 80 year old

[Tommy Ng]

http://www.youtube.com/user/jwu1111#p/u/13/40lQS8u2L5Q

He is a professional saxophonist from Taiwan, was 80 year old when recording this clip. He studied music in Japan in 1940s.

Professional squeak :

Is that a squeak at 38 seconds?? I have heard this kind of noise so often from professionals.. wonder if this is a squeak at all.

cheers

 

[koumou]

At least he plays better than the keyboards.

Check this guy out,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92mHdGVFV8k&feature=related

He was 80 also , when the clip was made.

 

[Tommy Ng]

Is that a squeak at 38 seconds ??

 

[koumou]

Don't worry about the squeaks, even Stan Getz squeaked occasionally.

 

[Tommy Ng]

Hi

I previously posted a thread on "Different type of squeak" but couldn't get the answer i wanted. So i posted this clip to show others what i meant by "different type of squeak".

Different kind of squeak

I have seen this type of "squeak" so common in professionals so that makes me wonder if they are squeak at all.

This is like those "fingers moving noise" in guitar playing which can not be avoided.

 

[Mikec]

If you mean "Did he make that noise on purpose." I guess not (but he might well insist that he did, if you asked him!), but it's so insignificant that it doesn't matter, in my opinion, and sometimes unintended noises add to the performance. All part of the magic of acoustic instruments.

 

[Tommy Ng]

I believe this is not intentional and is not due to bad skills, i even heard this kind of noise in CD recordings.

Could it be due to buckling of reeds??

 

[Mikec]

Well, buckling means to bend permanently, so if the reed actually buckled all sound would stop. It's possible, I guess, that a reed can vibrate in some random way, but I would imagine that squeaks are more likely to be due to variations in the airstream, which in turn cause variations in the vibrations of the reed, rather than the reed itself.

 

[SteveK]

referring to the clip at the beginning of this thread I'd say that they deserve an award for the mismatch in styles between the musicians and another one for the awful tone that the upper keyboard produces - how did technicians even release instruments like that into the world and expect people above the age of five to buy them?
Well, I guess the fact is that people did buy them!
I think the guy has a style going there but talk about delaying the beat back !
What squeaks? ;}
Steve

 

[Pete Thomas]

Is that a squeak at 38 seconds?? I have heard this kind of noise so often from professionals.. wonder if this is a squeak at all.

Yes, but not a really loud high nasty squeak. More of a chirp.

 

[Tommy Ng]

Yes, but not a really loud high nasty squeak. More of a chirp.

Cheers Pete ...

Is this kind of "chirp" caused by bad skills or something to do with bad reed (reed buckling) or bad way of fitting the reed?

tom

 

[Tommy Ng]

referring to the clip at the beginning of this thread I'd say that they deserve an award for the mismatch in styles between the musicians and another one for the awful tone that the upper keyboard produces - how did technicians even release instruments like that into the world and expect people above the age of five to buy them?
Well, I guess the fact is that people did buy them!
I think the guy has a style going there but talk about delaying the beat back !
What squeaks? ;}
Steve

It is a bid old style really. The tune was composed about half a century ago by a japanese after the war to reflect their life after the war.

This clip is certainly not a high budget production. It is merely an 80 year old sax player bringing his grand daughter to a studio for a performance.

 

[SteveK]

They both sound great - particularly given the context.
I hope I can do that when I'm 80.
I just hate the sound of the upper keyboard - that's what I call squeaking;}

Steve

 

[ilovebech]

Listening to these guys is inspirational to a70ish player!