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Mouthpieces Lawton Alto Mouthpiece

josax

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I am looking for some advice.
I have a Lawton 12 mouthpiece which I don't use.
I am an intermediate player and I have found it too difficult for me.
I have tried to find out about it but can only see info on B BB 7's or 8's.
What is it made of ? Who would use it (a pro)?
Is there somewhere i can sell/swap for a different more friendly mouthpiece?
Thanks in advance.
 

Grahame

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A 12? !!!!!!!!
It's made from brass....or I think Geoff Lawton did make some of his pieces out of ebonite or hard rubber. And possibly stainless steel. Very few pros would have a need for a 12.
Try an Otto Link STM. Should be fairly easy to find some to try.
 

Hipparion

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Just looking quickly at my charts, a Lawton 12 for alto would mean something like a 0.130 thousands of an inch of tip opening, which makes this mouthpiece a rare oddity (it's for an alto !). Mouthpiece specialist would probably say that the tip opening by itself is not enough to judge, but still... who would (or did ever) use such a mouthpiece ? And to do what ?
My most open mouthpiece is a Berg Larsen 100 2 SMS which I bought and played a lifetime ago, and I still don't understand how I could consistently blow that thing back then... Today, I am perfectly happy with something around 0.075''.
 

Ivan

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@rhysonsax is a Lawton enthusiast

12 is a monster opening

Lawton used bronze, not brass
 

rhysonsax

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The standard Lawton mouthpiece tip openings for alto only went up to 9 star which was/is 0.105". Geoff Lawton did make special sizes and a 12 for alto would equate to 0. 130" as @Hipparion said.

The standard metal pieces he made were either from nickel silver or brass plated in gold or occasionally silver, but he did also make mouthpieces from stainless steel, bronze and ebonite.

@josax if you could post pictures of the piece, and the box it came in if you have that, then I can probably tell you some more about the particular model. Alternatively tell us the exact writing on the outside of the mouthpiece and also the height of the lettering.

If there is no B or BB marked on the piece then Lawton called it his "Plain" model and said it was "ideally suited for Orchestral, Classical and Jazz playing." Lawton_brochure.pdf - Box

In my view the Plain model is very nice and has a balanced sound but I really can't imagine any player using it for "Orchestral or Classical" playing, particularly in a 12 tip size !

Rhys
 

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The standard Lawton mouthpiece tip openings for alto only went up to 9 star which was/is 0.105". Geoff Lawton did make special sizes and a 12 for alto would equate to 0. 130" as @Hipparion said.

The standard metal pieces he made were either from nickel silver or brass plated in gold or occasionally silver, but he did also make mouthpieces from stainless steel, bronze and ebonite.

@josax if you could post pictures of the piece, and the box it came in if you have that, then I can probably tell you some more about the particular model. Alternatively tell us the exact writing on the outside of the mouthpiece and also the height of the lettering.

If there is no B or BB marked on the piece then Lawton called it his "Plain" model and said it was "ideally suited for Orchestral, Classical and Jazz playing." Lawton_brochure.pdf - Box

In my view the Plain model is very nice and has a balanced sound but I really can't imagine any player using it for "Orchestral or Classical" playing, particularly in a 12 tip size !

Rhys
I keep repeating to myself “a 12??!!”
 

QWales

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Are you sure you didn't just pick up a toilet roll with Lawton 12 written on it :D
 

jonf

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I once had a 0.140 for tenor, and that was a bit of a beast, but playable with a soft reed. Can't imagine playing a 130 on alto.

I've had loads of Lawtons over the years, although not as many as Rhys, and I agree with him about the plain numbered ones.

There is a pretty good market for used Lawtons, and it should sell OK on eBay. I'd recommend doing that, then going to a decent sax shop and play testing a few more sensible sized mouthpieces to see what you like.
 
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