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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nice-vint...765?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e7d6e3a4d
Can't work out what it is?
Anyone?

Had one in the local porn shop recently, they were asking £250
Looks to me like a post war one, made by Amati. Took some time for Keilwerth to get Amati to stop using the Keilwerth name. Únderstandable in some ways, cos the Keilwerth factory in Cz was nationalised post WWII, while the family moved to W Germany in stages.
Looks to me like a post war one, made by Amati.
I'm not so sure. Amati used the Toneking name, and that's what JK went to court over and eventually won. In 1955, the European Court of Justice in The Haag ruled that Julius Keilwerth was the only one who could legally use the Toneking name.
This eBay sax doesn't bear the Toneking name at all--at least not that we can see. It also doesn't look like the Amati Tonekings that we usually see on eBay and the likes. They usually have rolled tone holes, while this one appears to have bevelled ones (like Martin).
Exactly what this JK is though, is a bit of a mystery. Without a serial # we can't be sure of its manufacturing date. The wire cage key guards and lack of rolled tone holes however, would likely indicate that it is a Graslitz era horn. But even that doesn't quite feel right. If I were interested in it, I'd ask for the serial number, and see if I could figure out more about it based on manufacturing date.
I asked the seller for the s/n earlier. No reply yet. Will post whatever info he supplies, as I won't be bidding. Just an "interest" item for me.I'm not so sure. Amati used the Toneking name, and that's what JK went to court over and eventually won. In 1955, the European Court of Justice in The Haag ruled that Julius Keilwerth was the only one who could legally use the Toneking name.
This eBay sax doesn't bear the Toneking name at all--at least not that we can see. It also doesn't look like the Amati Tonekings that we usually see on eBay and the likes. They usually have rolled tone holes, while this one appears to have bevelled ones (like Martin).
Exactly what this JK is though, is a bit of a mystery. Without a serial # we can't be sure of its manufacturing date. The wire cage key guards and lack of rolled tone holes however, would likely indicate that it is a Graslitz era horn. But even that doesn't quite feel right. If I were interested in it, I'd ask for the serial number, and see if I could figure out more about it based on manufacturing date.
Yes just checking everyone was paying attention that's all...What was it being used for? Oh.... PAWN shop you mean?
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There were some very early post war JK saxes from W Germany that had soldered & bevelled tone holes, but not many.
Bevelled - the walls of the relatively thick tone hole chimney are beveled at the top to give a thinner contact area with the pad. These toneholes are soldered on. And that can be seen in the pics. On second look, I agree with Helen that it has bevelled tone holes. Could be worth keeping an eye on.
Martin thought it was a good idea.Having said that, why would you want a smaller contact area with the pads? Less stickiness?
Sorry, I'd missed Helen's comment. I was just querying IF they were bevelled, not what bevelled is.
Having said that, why would you want a smaller contact area with the pads? Less stickiness?
There were some very early post war JK saxes from W Germany that had soldered & bevelled tone holes, but not many.
What worries me about Graslitz is the engraving. Looks too late. And I think all the tone holes from there were rolled. Wish we had more photos and a serial umber.