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Colin the Bear

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I found this on Ebay.

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Knowing there's lots of technical experts on here I thought I'd ask.

What's the point of the cut away section?
 

daveysaxboy

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I found this on Ebay.

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Knowing there's lots of technical experts on here I thought I'd ask.

What's the point of the cut away section?

This is a cheap Chinese copy of a Jody Jazz DV.More of the reed can vibrate.Runyon done things like this in the past.Nothing new .
 

zannad

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I found this on Ebay.

tenormp.jpg


Knowing there's lots of technical experts on here I thought I'd ask.

What's the point of the cut away section?

Indeed...what the use of that? :confused:
Surely it saves some precious brass (and it makes it lighter too) - let's say it's a more environmentally friendly metal mouthpiece?! :D
 

Koen88

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I think it`s easier and thus cheaper to make this way.. You have easier acces to some parts with your mill or lathe.. If you really want your reed to vibrate more freely, you'd best make that gap even wider.
 

Colin the Bear

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That rovner deep v looks interesting.

I must admit I'm tempted by a £25 price tag for the chinese tenor mouthpiece. A gold plated copper mouthpiece for £25 including postage. I've had some other bits and bobs off the same shop and it's all been good.
 

kevgermany

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There's another advantage to the cutout in the table. It allows the reed to swell without causing leaks at the sides, so there's more contact down the rails.

If you look at Theo Wanne's mouthpiece museum, you'll see that the early Maeyers had a groove there for the same reason.
 

Nick Wyver

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My Lawton is like that too (tenor 9* LW - Long Window). No idea if it makes a difference but the mouthpiece plays fine.
 

aldevis

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I think it`s easier and thus cheaper to make this way.. You have easier acces to some parts with your mill or lathe.. If you really want your reed to vibrate more freely, you'd best make that gap even wider.

Very good point! Maybe the main reason.
 

Fraser Jarvis

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My Lawton is like that too (tenor 9* LW - Long Window). No idea if it makes a difference but the mouthpiece plays fine.
I had a Lawton 6LW once but the opening was nothing like that, just the same as a standard Lawton but cut further back, i think the idea was to be able to get the lower notes more easily, but to be honest i found it no different in that respect than a normal one.
 

Fraser Jarvis

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I found this on Ebay.

tenormp.jpg


Knowing there's lots of technical experts on here I thought I'd ask.

What's the point of the cut away section?
I seem to remember reading somewere that Stephen Howard went through a box full of these without finding one good one! mind you someone like Sakshama could no doubt make one play really well and you'd still be quids in...
 

Morgan Fry

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I think it`s easier and thus cheaper to make this way.. You have easier acces to some parts with your mill or lathe.. If you really want your reed to vibrate more freely, you'd best make that gap even wider.

I had a good look at a couple of DVs recently. I don't think this feature makes manufacturing any easier, the bore is drilled straight through to the baffle on these, there's no need to get any tooling in there.

As to what it does, a longer window does seem to lessen resistance. Acoustically, it will make the chamber a little larger, which can be a problem for high baffle pieces like this.

I doubt that it has a beneficial effect on reeds w/r/t swelling. If it had, everybody would have copied it 75 years ago instead of Meyer copying everybody else and removing the feature from their next model.


One thing -- regardless of how good or how cheap this is, it's an obvious knock-off of a patented design. We shouldn't buy them and I won't work on them.
 

thomsax

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This is what Rovner Products wrote about their Deep-V mouthpiece:
“ … a long window which enables the reed to couple more completely with oscillating air column in the mouthpiece. This creates a bigger more centered sound, and greatly enhances response. “

The best (so far) mpc for me! I regret I didn’t try them earlier. Rovner is not making mouthpieces any more. They are hard to find and also expensive.

Thomas
 

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