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dpifko

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Hi all,

My wife just bought a new Cannonball and we're selling her Martin. I'd like to find out what model the Martin is, but it doesn't seem to match any of the photos on themartinstory.net or fit neatly into the descriptions on http://www.themartinstory.net/version7/whatyou-what-model.php. Someone said that it may not be an American Martin but a sax built by Martin <insert french name here>.

In any case, I'd appreciate any help you can give.

The serial number is 43197 .

Here are some photos:


right side view, on Flickr


left side view, on Flickr


bell, on Flickr

Thanks,

Daniel
 

thomsax

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I don't think the sax on pictures is a Martin Elhart (made) alto. All Martins that were made in Elhart had bellkeys on left side and they also had soldered tonholes. I think your sax is a French .... Martin (I can't remeber the whole name.

thomas
 

kevgermany

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I think it's a Dolnet Bel Aire, but without the fancy guards, palm keys. LH table and RH table are identical, though. Body, keywork look the same. Serial number fits.

My guess is that Martin was a Parisian music shop or small instrument maker that had Dolnet stencil these for them.

Take a look at saxpics.com, This gallery shows the alto well:

http://saxpics.com/?v=gal&a=1339


Not sure if this helps, though:

http://www.saxpics.com/?v=mod&modID=62
 

kevgermany

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I just found this:

http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk/Reviews/Saxes/Tenor/Dolnet_M70_tenor.htm

If you blow it up to 200% you'll see that Martin is one of the names on the bell. The M70 was a later model than the Bel aire, and had a few differences. But I guess it just confirms that Dolnet were stencilling horns for someone called Martin in Paris, and probably nothing to do with the US company. (Maybe trying to cash in on the similarity in names?)
 

kevgermany

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And then I find out that the M70 in Stephen's article is/was owned by the site owner, Pete Thomas.
 

altissimo

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Hmmm, interesting horn, Not an american Martin - the keywork's different and no bevelled tone holes - and it does appear to say Martin Paris on the bell. I've seen references to Martin-Busine and Martin Freres saxes and even a Robert Martin, but not Martin Paris.
I think our learned colleagues above are probably correct that it's a Dolnet stencil, probably made for Martin Freres or Martin-Busine. It wasn't uncommon for wind instrument companies to get saxes made for them by other manufacturers and get their name engraved on the bell, rather than set up their own production line
looks like a nice sax, hope you can find a good home for it...
 

milandro

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I don't think this is a Dolnet, despite the angular keys, the brace looks very reminescent of the old Amati . Definitely not a Martin.....
 

milandro

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as I thought, this is an Amati classic de Luxe


 
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