Jazz How a sax player can kill a ballad

[Chris]

Hmmm??? http://youtu.be/Sc9vAulqPF8

Didn't want to spoil Saxlickers cool video..

Chris

 

[BigMartin]

This would be a good candidate for the bad music thread. You can just imagine the backstage argument later on.

 

[Chris]

))))))))))))....

Chris

 

[Nick Wyver]

Was there something wrong with what Mr S was doing? Sounded pretty normal to me. I imagine Marcus Miller knows very well Mr S's style.

 

[zootsaxenberger]

Was there something wrong with what Mr S was doing? Sounded pretty normal to me. I imagine Marcus Miller knows very well Mr S's style.

i agree with Nick,if you listen to the drums,the tempo changes slightly during the Sanborn solo.
my guess is that the song was arranged like this to add a little light and shade.
as Nick said, these guys have worked together an awful lot,and i dont think either of them would just "wing it"

 

[Chris]

From a musical point of view he didn't do anything wrong, but from a taste point of view!!!..But isn't that what makes music so interesting...If we all liked the same things, music would be so boring..

 

[Nick Wyver]

From a musical point of view he didn't do anything wrong, but from a taste point of view!!!

Who's taste? Probably not the band's.

Still not sure what those who didn't like it have against it. Did he play too many notes in a slow song? Presumably none of you are fans of Charlie Parker either.

 

[aldevis]

Incredible how a well established musician like Sanborn can be competitive.
MM is not even playing saxophone and Sandborn wants to bury him.

In a recent thread there is a Don Weller version that is suitable for diabetics; this one is too syrupy.

 

[Chris]

This could get silly but then againhttp://youtu.be/XAvtD0XxzT4 http://youtu.be/r594pxUjcz4 http://youtu.be/LTdFjlamtrEhttp://youtu.be/EOYYaBBJr_E http://youtu.be/1b5ONXhROIM ...It's that magic word taste !! As for Charlie Parker you are probably right he played to many notes for me..Others may love it I don't..What was the famous Basie quote to Dickie Wells "You don't have to play all you know in one song, leave some for another one"...btw don't give up on the first video Alex Han gets interesting towards the end

 

[aldevis]

Shame on me.
As a kid I thought that Sanborn was the future of saxophone playing and Rollins was surpassed (and I knew this version quite well).

 

[rhysonsax]

Still not sure what those who didn't like it have against it.

(Personal viewpoint only - how could it be anything else ?). Ugly sound, lots of technique and no feeling, solo out of context for the mood of the song, no sympathy for the other soloist ........

Rhys

 

[Saxlicker]

I can see every point of view mentioned here (nothing like sitting on the fence is there?)

But certainly not typical of Sanborn to stray so far given anything I have heard from him before.
Personally though, I didn't think it suited very well.

Now as for Charlie Parker, I like some of it fast or slow (well as close as he gets to slow anyway).
Parkers Mood feels like a ballad yet has fairly fast playing that suits everything around it. I guess thats because its his tune.

 

[aldevis]

Now as for Charlie Parker, I like some of it fast or slow (well as close as he gets to slow anyway).
Parkers Mood feels like a ballad yet has fairly fast playing that suits everything around it. I guess thats because its his tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBy8MIOQlQs&NR=1&feature=endscreen

nothing wrong in playing lots of notes on a ballad. (please note this is a playback footage)

 

[Nick Wyver]

Incredible how a well established musician like Sanborn can be competitive.
MM is not even playing saxophone and Sandborn wants to bury him.

Since they've been playing together for over 30 years that seems unlikely.

 

[aldevis]

Since they've been playing together for over 30 years that seems unlikely.

What is he doing at around 2'01"?

 

[Nick Wyver]

What is he doing at around 2'01"?

Sanborn at 2'01"? Not much. Just after that he plays a short phrase and MM nods at him. Doesn't look to me like a cutting competition.

 

[aldevis]

Sanborn at 2'01"? Not much. Just after that he plays a short phrase and MM nods at him. Doesn't look to me like a cutting competition.

I am probably biased by the fact that I used to like him a lot.