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georgesax

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I have been practicing the longtime exercise 20 minutes per day for the last 8 months. I am still struggling with producing stable sound on higher notes from high B to F#. The sound is wobbling. Could you give me some advice on how to overcome this problem. I am using Morgan Fry M 6 alto mouthpiece piece and vandoren traditional 2 reed. Thanks a lot!
 

JayeNM

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Hi George, from another George.

"Long Tone" is what I assume you mean ?

When you say 'wobbling', what do you mean ?

1) Can you not hold a note for a long time (i.e. do you run out of breath and it becomes unsteady - like loud-soft-loud-soft) ?

or

2) do you mean the intonation wavers up and down (it becomes flat-sharp-flat-sharp) ?

or

3) the note 'breaks up'..meaning it starts 'easy' and 'clean' to play... but then starts crackling and becomes intermittent ???
 

jbtsax

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To produce a steady tone requires two things: 1) a steady airstream, 2) a steady embouchure. Are you putting your top teeth on the mouthpiece and rolling the lower lip back just enough to cover the teeth? I have good success with my students having them play a note they can get to speak and control and then slurring to the next note keeping everything constant. Doing this one note at a time may get you to where you want to be.

Remember notes in the higher register require a faster airstream. My teacher used to say the more work you can do with the breath support (pressurized air), the less work you have to do with the embouchure.
 
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georgesax

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Hi George, from another George.

"Long Tone" is what I assume you mean ?

When you say 'wobbling', what do you mean ?

1) Can you not hold a note for a long time (i.e. do you run out of breath and it becomes unsteady - like loud-soft-loud-soft) ?

or

2) do you mean the intonation wavers up and down (it becomes flat-sharp-flat-sharp) ?

or

3) the note 'breaks up'..meaning it starts 'easy' and 'clean' to play... but then starts crackling and becomes intermittent ???
Hi George thanks your reply. I mean that the sound wavers up and down
 
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georgesax

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To produce a steady tone requires two things: 1) a steady airstream, 2) a steady embouchure. Are you putting your top teeth on the mouthpiece and rolling the lower lip back just enough to cover the teeth? I have good success with my students having them play a note they can get to speak and control and then slurring to the next note keeping everything constant. Doing this one note at a time may get you to where you want to be.

Remember notes in the higher register require a faster airstream. My teacher used to say the more work you can do with the breath support (pressurized air), the less work you have to do with the embouchure.
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JayeNM

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OK, so you can HOLD the note OK, but the intonation wavers.

That is pretty common for a new player. Try JBT's suggestions.
 

Rikki

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I have been practicing the longtime exercise 20 minutes per day for the last 8 months. I am still struggling with producing stable sound on higher notes from high B to F#. The sound is wobbling. Could you give me some advice on how to overcome this problem. I am using Morgan Fry M 6 alto mouthpiece piece and vandoren traditional 2 reed. Thanks a lot!
20 minutes a day playing just playing long notes sounds a bit excessive to me especially if you are a relative beginner. I had a similar problem when I was less experienced and obsessed with long tones. I eventually stopped playing for a while in frustration, when I eventually went back I found the problem had gone! FRom then on I concentrated a lot less on long tones. Maybe you simply need to take a rest and allow your embouchure to recover. Even as an experienced player I spend no more than 10 minutes on embouchure exercises before practice.
 

Morph

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As others have said, diaphragm support is very important. Make sure you diaphragm is engaged when you play, it will feel like you stomach is tensed.

I think embouchure strength develops slowly over time too, so be patient. I find long tones to be one of the most taxing exercises for my lip muscles. I find 10 mins of long tones = 50 mins of playing normally (or something like that!)
 
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