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half diminished

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I've always been a little sceptical though I am into Tai Chi and find it very powerful.

Anyway, back to Feng Shui.......

As you know mrs hd has decreed that the office is redone before said Mac Pro arrives and as part of that exercise, I have re-sited my desk to the opposite side of the room. What a difference, I only completed the 'move' late yesterday afternoon and have been working 'here' this morning for an hour but already I can feel a difference. Hard to put a finger on it but my mood seems much lighter, smiley almost.

Same old boring stuff workwise but I just feel somehow different. Of course, might be my age :w00t: or maybe the alcohol from last night, or the glue sniffing this morning of course? >:)

Any of you lot believers?
 

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I think a change is as good as a rest to be honest.

Feng shui is like religion I suppose and relies on faith rather than fact. If you believe something is going to work then it probably will or you will see the positives rather than any negatives.

I suffer ever so slightly from ocd I mean OCD I mean O.C.D. see what I mean, anyway the last thing I need is to have to have my bed in a certain direction or my desk against a certain wall. I have enough to contend with checking to see if I have locked the door again, trying to stop the petrol pump exactly on the pound and counting stairs.

Back to Feng Shui, I'm sure it - and Religion- works for the believers and it doesn't for the sceptics so everybody is happy in the end

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I think a change is as good as a rest to be honest.

Feng shui is like religion I suppose and relies on faith rather than fact. If you believe something is going to work then it probably will or you will see the positives rather than any negatives.

Back to Feng Shui, I'm sure it - and Religion- works for the believers and it doesn't for the sceptics so everybody is happy in the end

mamos
I was rather seeking an explanation for the phenomena rather than saying I believed in it or otherwise.

Fact remains, I'm still feeling quite uplifted in spirit and for no reason I can fathom. Only change variable to the norm is my desk position.
 

Mamos

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I was rather seeking an explanation for the phenomena
That's the point I think of faith based phenomena, you can't and indeed shouldn't attempt to explain them.

Proof denies faith and so the phenomenon disappears.

It is a bit like learning how a magic trick is done. It goes from magic for the believer into a trick.

I don't think there is any scientific explanation for Feng Shui.

I am glad you are feel good today though and i hope it continues.:welldone

mamos
 

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Hi Ian

I have not tried Feng Shui myself, but I have no reason to believe it does not work. Just because it can't be explained by conventional science, doesn't mean it is bunkum.
There are many mysteries that are poo poo'd by scientists, and condemned by religious leaders as 'the devils work'. (This, I call 'priestcraft')
I have investigated many so called 'supernatural' (I prefer 'supernormal') phenomena, and have had enough personal proof that they do exist. Of course this is a personal thing, don't just reject it by heresay, but investigate for yourself, maybe with like-minded people, and form your own opinions.
So yes, if Feng Shui is working for you, and for many others, then I would say it definitely has foundation.
An example is Homeopathic medicine. I have found it works for me, despite scientists and so called 'experts' saying it is purely psychological, and I think I have an open mind about these things. Homeopathy has, in my view, been proved to work by giving it to animals for certain illnesses, and it has been successful. I don't think the 'Placebo effect' applies to animals!
If you'd like to discuss this further please PM me, as it might stir up feelings Pete might not like on the forum.

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Well as I said, I just changed desk position, not due to Feng Shui but because I wanted to eliminate any reflections falling onto my screen in prep for my new 24" monster in a few weeks. There is no question I am feeling different though.
 

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Feeling better? Just down to the fact that you've changed something? Better light? Better ventilation?

Have a look at my avatar and have a guess what I think of such things.>:)
 

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Well as I said, I just changed desk position, not due to Feng Shui but because I wanted to eliminate any reflections falling onto my screen in prep for my new 24" monster in a few weeks. There is no question I am feeling different though.
Perhaps you're feeling differently because you've eliminated reflections falling on your screen?

If you've changed aspects of the light (and possibly space?) in your workplace I'd not be the least bit surprised to find you're perceiving differences in 'mood'.

And in that sense Feng Shui could be said to have worked.

Except you didn't do it by Feng Shui, you did it without Feng Shui.

To investigate your question you need to get a feng shui guy to predict where to sit and test to see if he's right and you do feel better.

Also do a control, sit in a number of other places and see whether you also feel better in any of them. If you do you know that it wasn't feng shui that caused it in those cases.

To be really sure get other people to do the same test and randomly do the control changes of position before the feng shui predicted ones ( just to ensure the order doesn't make a difference.) then you have to worry whether the different people measure 'feel better' in the same way, then.....

I'm with PeeDee on doing your own scientific test rather than relying on anecdote.

I would be stringent statistically. Humans are very good at imaging patterns in random data. We're built that way.

If anything claims to achieve a change the first test is to predict the change in advance and then achieve the prediction. Just observing something has happened and claiming something caused it does not make the grade. The second thing is to compare a control with identical circumstances.

If there is any difference in results you have to check it propely in case its just a random variation.

Bear in mind what random means. Random means its perfectly ok for unusual patterns to occur.

Lottery numbers of 1 2 3 4 5 are just as likely as any other. Last weeks lottery numbers are just as likely as any others to occur this week.

The MMR scare doctor had random results, but it looked like a pattern and he stupidly thought random meant evenly spread out. The journalistic reporting of his mistake screwed up an aspect of healthcare for the whole country.

So beware of how easy it is to convince yourself of something.

Consider this example;

My step-father got lung cancer.
He was told the average life expectancy was 3 years
He lived another 25 years.
He firmly believed this was due to the self help treatments he learned at the Bristol Cancer Centre - because out of 100 similar lung cancer patients he was the only one who survived that long.

And many folk would agree with him, except -

He 'forgot' that the doctor had also told him the figures showed that while the average was 3 years 1 in a hundred would live over 25 years.

The Bristol centre is a good place, they do good work. I've advised friends to consider it.

Did it 'cure' my stepfather, or was he the 1 in a 100 that would have lived anyway? There's no way to show either way.
 

Stephen Howard

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I'm a firm believer in Feng Shui, I find that the subtlest of movements can bring substantial positive changes in mood.
For example, the shifting of one or more pieces of paper from one location to another - even though the shift is barely three or four feet - can have a profound effect on me.

"How can this be?" I hear you cry.

Well, you can try it for yourselves.
Find someone who is willing to participate in your experiment and have them stand three or four feet away from you. Then say "Give me twenty pounds".
Note the increase in your emotional well-being as the £20 note passes from their wallet into yours.

Aye thang yew.
 

AndyG

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I'm a firm believer in Feng Shui, I find that the subtlest of movements can bring substantial positive changes in mood.
For example, the shifting of one or more pieces of paper from one location to another - even though the shift is barely three or four feet - can have a profound effect on me.

"How can this be?" I hear you cry.

Well, you can try it for yourselves.
Find someone who is willing to participate in your experiment and have them stand three or four feet away from you. Then say "Give me twenty pounds".
Note the increase in your emotional well-being as the £20 note passes from their wallet into yours.

Aye thang yew.
I agree, but as in my case, its usually passing from my pocket to someone else, the emotion seems somewhat different:(
 

Stephen Howard

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Oi! you lot. This is a serious discussion!
Awww alright then....I have a theory.

It's to do with light, specifically the quality thereof.

How many times have you found yourself driving along the road or walking down the street, and suddenly you have an intense feeling of deja-vu?
Now, we all know that deja-vu is a chemical reaction in the brain...but it's still possible for it to be triggered externally. The classic example is the smell of woodsmoke, which many people find very calming.
Light too can have this effect, though because it's rather more subtle than a smell it often goes unnoticed.

Humans have very limited senses ( in comparison ) to many animals - and of all our senses our visual acuity is about the strongest. Just as you can 'imprint' a memory in your brain, you can also imprint a 'quality of light'.
So, by altering a room you change the reflectivity of it, and this can act as a trigger for a stored feeling.
I'm sure if you sat in the room long enough and contemplated exactly how you felt, you'd find a root memory.

As for the art of Feng Shui - there are some people who have an aptitude for spacial placement. They can look at an object and ascertain which position in space best suits it.
We've all done it to some degree - it's exactly what you use when you bung a few flowers in a jar and try to arrange them in a pleasing fashion. OK, usually it's a hit and miss thing - but most people realise when they've made an improvement.

So, in the same way that a fashion consultant might say "Oooooh luv, that is soooooo last year', a spatial expert will be able to say "Oooh dear me no, that is soooooo Nor' by Nor'west".

Regards,
 

Stephen Howard

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I agree, but as in my case, its usually passing from my pocket to someone else, the emotion seems somewhat different:(
Aha, this is a fine example of an imbalance between Yin and Yang.
In order to restore balance you must ensure the exchange of a 'token'. For example, having handed over your twenty quid, you are then handed a slant sig Berg. The order of the universe is restored.

I've been watching Kung-Fu Panda, you know...
 
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Aha, this is a fine example of an imbalance between Yin and Yang.
In order to restore balance you must ensure the exchange of a 'token'. For example, having handed over your twenty quid, you are then handed a slant sig Berg. The order of the universe is restored.

I've been watching Kung-Fu Panda, you know...
Ah I see the Dragon Warrior has spoken. :)
 
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Mr. Thomas, Sir.

It's not fair. If I post on one of Half-Diminished's threads, he accuses me of being unhelpful. :crying:

When that Mr. Howard posts , and he is almost as nice as you Sir but not quite, he gets away with it. :confused:

I'm off to tell my saxophone teacher. :verysad
OG

Nice to hear from you and a very valuable contribution to the discussion. Keep up the good work.
 

kevgermany

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Aha, this is a fine example of an imbalance between Yin and Yang.
In order to restore balance you must ensure the exchange of a 'token'. For example, having handed over your twenty quid, you are then handed a slant sig Berg. The order of the universe is restored.
But wouldn't this put the balance of Yin and Yang out a lot further - but in the opposite direction?
 
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